GRA
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WetEV said:Quotes are messed up.
Should be fixed now. I hate typing on my phone: had a close parens instead of a slash inside the bracket. :x
WetEV said:GRA said:WetEV said:The expense of public charging is a tiny fraction of ownership costs, except for two corner cases. Those few that will not have home, work or apartment charging in about three more decades when needed. And the very few that drive mostly long distances.
You think we can afford to wait three decades? I don't, which is why I consider PHEVs the mainstream option for now, as you don't put all your eggs in what is currently an inadequate basket, while eliminating the vast majority (dare I say 80%?) of emissions ASAP in the areas that need it the most. Those who have stable home or work charging and who rarely if ever take even weekend trips can go BEV now if they can afford it, and everyone else could switch to a PHEV and charge it an increasing % of the time as infrastructure increases, while still being able to do their weekend getaways and road trips as quickly and conveniently as they do now, i.e. an essentially painless transition.
We have no choice about waiting. If sales double every two or three years, which is about as fast as is likely, from a manufacturing prospective and from a social prospective, then it and from an infrastructure prospective, then in about 5 doubling times or 10 to 15 years, the majority of cars sold will be electrics. As the average life of a car on the road is over a decade, then in 20 to 25 years will be starting to be worrying about the infrastructure of the remaining. PHEVs don't change the infrastructure used daily that much.
Which is one of their major advantages for people now, especially but not solely for renters. The most likely, indeed for most people the only (bar electrical upgrades) electric circuit that people will be able to use for home charging has either a NEMA 5-15 or 5-20 receptacle. A PHEV with a battery sized to cover most people's routine daily driving can be fully charged from such a circuit in 8 hours or less, and requires no extra expense, upgrades, permit pulling or other hassle. One to two generations of PHEVs gives us significant reductions in emissions, buying us more time to build the necessary L2 & QC charging and/or H2 fueling infrastructure for BEVs/FCEVs so that we can phase out new fossil-fueled transport in 15-20 years and get rid of them entirely in an unlikely 20 but more probably 25-30 years.