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Oilpan4 said:
Oh no 8 deaths, better put the state back on lock down.
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From the quote "The number of average daily deaths in Idaho rose about 77% to eight, the JHU data showed."

Taiwan per https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries only had 7 COVID-19 deaths TOTAL. Taiwan has population of almost 24 million and 0.3 COVID-19 deaths per million people. Idaho doesn't even have 2 million people and per https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/, currently has 344 COVID-19 deaths per million.

Idaho's hospitals are filling up:
https://idahonews.com/news/coronavirus/idahos-hospitals-are-full-nurses-are-fatigued-and-covid-19-case-rates-are-rising
https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/coronavirus/article246675442.html

If they run out of space by not getting the virus under control, their death rate will likely get much worse.
 
Developed Asian countries have been doing the mask and germaphobe thing for at least 30 years. They were doing it in Japan when I was over there in 2002.
They are very good at keeping their germs to them selves. Americans have just never done that, pretty much starting from scratch here and it probably will never catch on.

downeykp said:
Well oily, Taiwan just went 200 days without a new case. Taiwan, unlike our $hithole country, used scientists, data and a willingness to follow directions to be covid free for 200 days. So following sound advice does work, in countries where people can actually think.
You should try it.
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Sounds like you should move there.
Haven't you ever heard the saying "you can't fix stupid"?
 
That video made me think of this.
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Oilpan4 said:
Developed Asian countries have been doing the mask and germaphobe thing for at least 30 years. They were doing it in Japan when I was over there in 2002.
They are very good at keeping their germs to them selves. Americans have just never done that, pretty much starting from scratch here and it probably will never catch on.

downeykp said:
Well oily, Taiwan just went 200 days without a new case. Taiwan, unlike our $hithole country, used scientists, data and a willingness to follow directions to be covid free for 200 days. So following sound advice does work, in countries where people can actually think.
You should try it.
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Sounds like you should move there.
Haven't you ever heard the saying "you can't fix stupid"?
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Fixing stupid has never been our problem. Its fixing ignorance, humility and the notion that someone else knows more than ourselves.
 
Utah sent every phone in the state an emergency alert warning about rapidly rising Covid-19 cases and overwhelmed hospitals
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/30/us/utah-emergency-alert-covid-19-trnd/index.html

In my county in California, we got emergency alerts about COVID-19 right before lockdown began in March and seemed to get them as reminders or when the situation changed slightly. I think I haven't seen any more in the last few months... Was pretty annoying given I have several phones w/active cell service at home.
 
WH Adviser Scott Atlas Apologizes For Interview With Kremlin-Backed News Outlet (RT)
https://www.npr.org/2020/11/01/930149143/wh-adviser-scott-atlas-apologizes-for-interview-with-kremlin-backed-news-outlet
In the interview published Saturday, Atlas downplayed the severity of the U.S. coronavirus surge and said that lockdowns aimed at curbing the spread of COVID-19 are "not impactful" and "killing people."

"The lockdowns will go down as an epic failure of public policy by people who ... were wrong, refused to accept they were wrong, didn't know the data, didn't care, and became a frenzy of stopping COVID-19 cases at all costs and those costs are massive," Atlas said.

He also said protective measures like mask wearing and social distancing are "creating a generation of neurotic children," and said one in four Americans ages 18-24 thought of taking their lives in June because of lockdowns.
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Atlas, a radiologist, joined the White House as a coronavirus adviser in August and has since drawn scrutiny for circulating misinformation and reportedly promoting the controversial theory of "herd immunity."

Last month, Twitter removed a post by Atlas in which he falsely stated that masks do not offer protection from the virus.
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Sigh... supposedly Dump got this unqualified guy because he learned of him on Fox News.
 
Oilpan4 said:
Herd immunity worked on small pox.
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Before inoculation, pmall pox death rate was about 20% to 30%. Many cases of blindness, massive scaring and more.

After inoculation and before vaccination, death rate was about 1% (of those inoculated).

Vaccination killed about 1 or 2 in a million. After vaccination, small pox went extinct.

All three are examples of "herd immunity".

Covid19 isn't as deadly as small pox. It does damage the heart, lungs, brain, pancreas, and more. We could use quarantine to get down to zero cases, like Australia and New Zealand have done. "National Donut Day" was the first zero day.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/nov/01/donut-day-australia-records-first-day-of-zero-cases-of-community-covid-transmission-since-9-june
 
2 things with small pox, if quarintee worked why did it take modern medicine to eradicate it?
Why couldn't it just be quarantine it away?

NZ already thought they had a 0 day back in June or July and it came right back.
Now that they're going into summer there it will appear to be gone, but will come right back.
 
Oilpan4 said:
2 things with small pox, if quarintee worked why did it take modern medicine to eradicate it?
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?"quarintee"?

Vaccination was cutting edge modern medicine in 1796. Widely used 100 years later.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox#Eradication
 
What about the roughly 2,000 years prior to 1796?

You would think that with a 20 to 30% kill rate societies would do a lock down or something.
 
Oilpan4 said:
What about the roughly 2,000 years prior to 1796?

You would think that with a 20 to 30% kill rate societies would do a lock down or something.
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How do you guess that a society like middle ages London might conduct a lockdown?
 
Exactly the same as now.
Stay in your home/hole don't come out or else. We don't care if you are starving, freezing, dieing from dehydration, ect.
 
Ozarks public health workers feel 'hated' in Covid-19 spike
Covid-19 is on the rise in rural America. CNN's Elle Reeve visits Carter County, Missouri, to speak with public health officials who have become unlikely villains to the town's residents
https://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2020/10/31/rural-america-covid-spike-ozarks-missouri-orig.cnn - video is about 3.5 minutes long

Morons! Seems like the most of the residents in that region are anti-maskers Gee... I wonder why their test positivity rate is past 30%?
 
cwerdna said:
Ozarks public health workers feel 'hated' in Covid-19 spike
Covid-19 is on the rise in rural America. CNN's Elle Reeve visits Carter County, Missouri, to speak with public health officials who have become unlikely villains to the town's residents
https://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2020/10/31/rural-america-covid-spike-ozarks-missouri-orig.cnn - video is about 3.5 minutes long

Morons! Seems like the most of the residents in that region are anti-maskers Gee... I wonder why their test positivity rate is past 30%?
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I had a realization from watching this video. Watch Brian openly mock the President. These people aren't stupid and they are aware of, not necessarily fond of, and not fooled by Trump's bullshit. These people are a wave and Trump is just surfing it. This realization was further solidified as I watched one of Trump's late rallies where the crowd started chanting "FIRE FAUCI". You could see the light bulb go off in Trump's head, like "OK this is interesting. I have permission now".
 
Trump has had "permission" from his base to fire Fauci for quite a while now. Not being the brightest of men, he thought that this permission extended beyond his more rapid supporters.

I wondered where all of the 'Shy Trump votes' came from, and just realized this morning: it's that typically low American voter turnout. Almost half of the damned electorate doesn't generally vote, and that is many, many millions of people. Despite being warned about a "Red Mirage" followed by a "Blue Shift" I was really thinking last night that it was going to be another "Trump Surprise." That could still happen, but now only by a tiny margin. The Senate is out of reach either way, so even if Biden is elected, he faces the same shitty situation as Obama, but without a Honeymoon tied to an economic disaster, as that has already happened and been ended by the Senate...
 

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