Electrify America Network

[GRA]

Here's WetEV's list updated to the end of the year, plus the three sites opened so far in January:

Here's the updated list of "Coming Soon" sites since the original list was posted on Nov. 13, 2019, current as of 1/3/20. I've bolded each station that's opened since this post was originally made, and added the opening date in [ ]. I've put new sites subsequently added to the list in ( date ):

AZ:
Az Mills Mall 5000 S. Arizona Mills Circle Tempe,AZ,85282 [11/14/19]
"Love's Travel #286 (Quartzsite, Az) 760 S Quartzsite Blvd Quartzsite",AZ,85346
Arizona Proving Grounds 17169 N Murphy Rd Maricopa, AZ 85138 (Site added 11/19, but removed from map 12/12/19)

CA - South of Tehachapis:
"Walmart 3180 - South Gate, Ca 4651 Firestone Blvd. South Gate",CA,90280
"Target T2082 - Buena Park, Ca 7530 Orangethorpe Avenue Buena Park",CA,90621 [12/31/19]
"Target T0229 - Cypress, Ca 9835 Katella Avenue Cypress",CA,90630
"Target T2328 - Carson, Ca 651 W. Sepulveda Blvd. Carson",CA,90745 [12/18/19]
Vons 2861 Long Beach 600 E. Broadway Long Beach,CA,90803
"Ralphs 060 - Glendale, Ca 1416 East Colorado St Glendale",CA,91205 [12/19/19]
"Walmart 5162 - Santa Clarita, Ca 27931 KELLY JOHNSON PKWY. Santa Clarita",CA,91355
"Target T1309 - Van Nuys, Ca 14920 Raymer Street Van Nuys",CA,91405 [11/22/19]
"Plaza Del Sol - Burbank, Ca 10950 Sherman Way Burbank",CA,91505 [12/31/19]
"Target T2179 -Diamond Bar, Ca 747 Grand Avenue Diamond Bar",CA,91765 [11/21/19]
Boa Washington-centinela Ca9-160 12316 W Washington Blvd Los Angeles, CA 90066 (Not on list) [12/18/19]
"Walmart 5023 - National City, Ca 1200 Highland Avenue National City",CA,91950 [12/10/19]
"Walmart 2494 - Oceanside,ca 2100 Vista Way Oceanside",CA,92054
"Target T1485 - Santee, Ca 9846 Mission Gorge Rd. null Santee",CA,92071
"Target T2165 - Vista, Ca 3150 Business Park Dr. Vista",CA,92081
"Target T1846 - San Diego, Ca 3424 College Ave. San Diego",CA,92115
"Walmart 2177 - San Diego, Ca 3382 Murphy Canyon Rd. San Diego",CA,92123 [1/16/20]
"Walmart 2150 - San Diego, Ca 710 Dennery Road San Diego",CA,92154 [12/25/19]
Las Americas Premium Outlets 4211 Camino De La Plaza San Diego,CA,92173
Desert Hills Premium Outlets 48400 Seminole Dr. null Cabazon,CA,92230
Imperial Valley Mall 3451 South Dogwood Rd. El Centro,CA,92243 [12/31/19]
"Ultra Gas And Mart (Baker, Ca) 71808 Baker Blvd Baker",CA,92309 [1/23/20]
"Walmart 1879 - Barstow, Ca 301 Montara Road Barstow",CA,92311
"Walmart 4340 - Hesperia, Ca 13401 Main Street Hesperia",CA,92345 [12/31/19]
"Sam's Club 4822 - Murrieta, Ca 40500 MURRIETA HOT SPRINGS RD. Murrieta",CA,92563 [11/27/19]
"Walmart 2218 - Foothill Ranch, Ca 26502 Towne Centre Drive Foothill Ranch",CA,92610 [12/4/19]
"Target T2051 - Huntington Beach, Ca 9882 Adams Avenue Huntington Beach",CA,92646 [11/26/19]
Marina Village 5922 Edinger Avenue Huntington Beach,CA,92649 [12/12/19]
"Walmart 2527 - San Clemente, Ca 951 Avenida Pico San Clemente",CA,92673 [12/17/19]
"Target T0914 - Rancho Santa Margarita, Ca 30602 Santa Margarita Parkway Rancho Santa Margarita",CA,92688 [1/3/20]
Shops At Mission Viejo 555 Shops Blvd. Mission Viejo,CA,92691
"Target T0250 - Santa Ana, Ca 3300 S. Bristol Street Santa Ana",CA,92704
Boa 17th-tustin Ca7-1332127 E 17th Street Santa Ana, CA 92705 (not listed) [12/20/19]
Walmart 2242 Anaheim 440 N. Euclid St. Anaheim,CA,92801
Brea Mall 1065 Brea Mall Drive Brea,CA,92821
"Walmart 1912 - Corona, Ca 479 McKinley St. Corona",CA,92879
"Walmart 5140 - La Mesa, Ca 5500 Grossmont Center Dr. La Mesa",CA,92942
Camarillo Premium Outlets 740 Ventura Blvd Camarillo,CA,93010


CA - Tehacahapis N. to Gilroy, and 395:
Harris Ranch Inn & Restaurant 24505 West Dorris Avenue Coalinga,CA,93210
"Walmart 5215 - Delano, Ca 530 Woollomes Ave. Delano",CA,93215 (Removed 1?/20)
Walmart Supercenter 2536 - Tulare, CA 1110 E. Prosperity Ave. Tulare, CA 93274 (Added 1/?/20)
Countryside Market - Shell 9741 South Enos Lane Bakersfield,CA,93311 [11/26/19]
Boa Paso Robles Ca1-109 1511 Spring Street Paso Robles,CA,93446 [12/19/19]
Pismo Beach Premium Outlets 333 Five Cities Drive Pismo Beach,CA,93449 [1/10/20]
"Comfort Inn & Suites - Mojave, Ca 1385 CA-58 BUS Mojave",CA,93501 [1/22/20]
"Vons 1753 - Bishop, Ca 1190 N Main Street Bishop",CA,93514 [12/31/19]
Bridgeport Shell 453 Main Street Bridgeport,CA,93517 [11/21/19]
Coso Junction Store 20 Gills Station Road Olancha,CA,93549
Shaw And Dewitt - Clovis 540 Shaw Avenue Clovis,CA,93612
Panoche Shell 46331 W Panoche Road Firebaugh,CA,93622 [12/5/19]
"Walmart 2001 - Fresno, Ca 5125 East Kings Canyon Road Fresno",CA,93727
"Walmart 2458 - Salinas, Ca 1800 North Main St. null Salinas",CA,93906
Greenfield-santa Lucia Square Sc 500-614 Walnut Avenue Greenfield,CA,93927

CA - Gilroy & Northwards
"Safeway 1138 - Belmont, Ca 1100 El Camino Real Belmont",CA,94002 (not on map 12/12/19)
BoA Half Moon Bay Ca5-109 620 Main St Half Moon Bay,CA,94019
Lawrence Oakmead Shopping Center 540-548 Lawrence Expressway Sunnyvale,CA,94085 1/30/20]
"Safeway 0739 - San Francisco, Ca 3350 Mission Street San Francisco",CA,94110
Stable Headquarters (San Francisco, CA) 1999 Bryant Street San Francisco, CA 94110 (Added 1/27/20)
"Safeway 0995 - San Francisco, Ca 1335 Webster St. San Francisco",CA,94115
"Safeway 0985 - San Francisco, Ca 2350 Noriega St. San Francisco",CA,94122
Lakeshore Plaza 4258 Ocean Avenue San Francisco,CA,94132
Stanford Shopping Center 660 Stanford Shopping Center Palo Alto,CA,94304
"Target T2829 - Alameda, Ca 2700 5th Street Alameda",CA,94501 [12/20/19]
"Lucky 705 - Concord, Ca 5190 Clayton Rd. Concord",CA,94521 [12/6/19]
"Safeway 0928 - Pleasant Hill, Ca 600 Patterson Blvd. Pleasant Hill",CA,94523
Brookvale Shopping Center 35720 Fremont Blvd. Fremont,CA,94536 [1/31/20]
"Walmart 2989 - Fremont, Ca 44009 Osgood Road Fremont",CA,94539 [1/31/20]
BoA Castro Valley Ca4-121 3067 Castro Valley Blvd. Castro Valley,CA,94546 [1/31/20]
"Lucky 722 - Livermore, Ca 1951 Holmes Street Livermore",CA,94550
"Walmart 2648 - San Leandro, Ca 1919 Davis Street San Leandro",CA,94577 [1/29/20]
"Walmart 2031 - Union City, Ca 30600 Dyer Street Union City",CA,94587
Metro 580 4500 Rosewood Drive Pleasanton,CA,94588 [11/27/19]
Broadway Plaza 1275 Broadway Plaza Walnut Creek, CA 94596 (Added 1/27/20)
"Lucky 736 - Oakland, Ca 247 East 18th Street Oakland",CA,94606
BoA Emeryville Ca4-137 4120 San Pablo Avenue Emeryville,CA,94608
"Safeway 0788 (Mill Valley, Ca) 1 Camino Alto Mill Valley",CA,94941
Gilroy Premium Outlets 681 Leavesley Road Gilroy,CA,95020 [1/3/20]
BoA Ca3-116 Los Gatos 333 N Santa Cruz Ave Los Gatos,CA,95030
Princeton Plaza Mall 1375 Blossom Hill Rd. San Jose,CA,95118
BoA Santa Teresa-Bernal Ca3-169 155 Bernal Rd. San Jose,CA,95119 [1/3-/20
BoA Blossom Hill Winfield Ca 3-170 971 Blossom Hill Rd. San Jose,CA,95123
Safeway #1476 San Jose 1300 West San Carlos Street San Jose,CA,95126
Plaza Shopping Center - Pan Cal 1334 Saratoga Ave. San Jose,CA,95129 [12/25/19]
"Safeway 0929 - San Jose, Ca 2558 Berryessa Road San Jose",CA,95132
Save Mart Lucky #758 (San Jose, CA) 565 West Capitol Expressway San Jose, CA 95136 (Added 1/27/20)
"Walmart 3352 - Stockton, Ca 10355 Trinity Parkway Stockton",CA,95219
"Walmart 2025 - Tracy, Ca 3010 W Grant Line Road Tracy",CA,95304
"Safeway #0965 - Willits, Ca 845 S. Main Street Willits",CA,95490
Eureka-Bayshore Mall 3300 Broadway Street Eureka,CA,95501
Garberville-one Loghouse 705 US 101 Garberville,CA,95542
Vacaville Premium Outlets 321 Nut Tree Road Vacaville,CA,95687 [12/9/19]
Sacramento Regional Transit 29th Street Yard 1400 29th Street Sacramento, CA 95816 (Added 1/27/20)
UC Davis Medical Center 2401 45th Street Sacramento, CA 95816 (Added 1/27/20)
Target T0312 Fulton Ave 1919 Fulton Avenue Sacramento,CA,95825
"Walmart 2053 - Willows, Ca 470 Airport Road Willows",CA,95988 [1/3/20]
"Safeway 0273 - Anderson, Ca 2601 Balls Ferry Road Anderson",CA,96007 [12/24/19]
"Save Mart 627 - Truckee, Ca 11399 Deerfield Drive. Truckee",CA,96161 [1/10/20]

CO:
"Walmart 3533 - Denver, Co 7800 Smith Rd. null Denver",CO,80207 [1/6/20]

CT:
"Walmart 1891 - Manchester, Ct 420 Buckland Hills Dr. Manchester",CT, 06042
"Walmart 2371 - Wallingford, Ct 844 N Colony Rd. Wallingford",CT, 06492

DC:
"Walmart 5968 - Georgia Ave, Dc 5929 Georgia Ave NW Washington",DC,20011

IL:
"Target T2613 - Chicago, Il 1200 N Larrabee St Chicago",IL,60610 [12/5/19]

MA:
Burlington Mall 75 Middlesex Turnpike Burlington,MA, 01803
Federal Realty - Assembly Row 449 Canal Street Somerville,MA, 02145 1/21/20]

MD:
Bowie Town Center (Bowie, MD)15606 Emerald Way Bowie, MD 20716 (Added 1/28/20)
Clarksburg Premium Outlets (Clarksburg, MD) 22705 Clarksburg Road Clarksburg, MD 20841 (Added 1/28/20)
Walmart 5228 - Columbia, MD 6405 Dobbin Road Columbia,MD,21045 [11/18/19]

ME:
"Walmart 1788 - Scarborough, ME 500 Gallery Blvd. Scarborough",ME, 04074 [12/20/19]

NH:
"Walmart 1762 - Seabrook, NH 700 Lafayette Rd. Unit #1 null Seabrook",NH, 03874 [12/23/19]

NJ:
"Target T1175 - Fairfield, NJ US HWY 46 Fairfield",NJ, 07004 [1/31/20]
Target T1822 (Clifton, NJ) 30 KINGSLAND RD Clifton, NJ 07014 (Added 1/27/20)
"Walmart 5447 - Kearny, NJ 150 Harrison Ave. Kearny",NJ, 07032 [1/13/20]
"Walmart 3520 - Secaucus, NJ 400 Park Plaza Dr. Secaucus",NJ, 07094
Plaza 23 Station 500 Route 23 North Pompton Plains,NJ, 07444 [11/21/19]
Target 1085 - Cherry Hill, NJ 2137 NJ-38 Cherry Hill,NJ, 08002 [11/18/19]
Walmart 4456 Somerdale 1 Coopertowne Blvd Somerdale,NJ, 08083 [1/30/20]
Walmart 3078 - East Brunswick NJ 90 NJ-18 East Brunswick,NJ, 08816 [12/17/19]

NY:
Green Acres Mall 2034 Green Acres Mall Valley Stream,NY,11581 [1/14/20]
Simon-Smith Haven Mall 313 SMITH HAVEN MALL Lake Grove,NY,11755

OR:
"Target T0344 - Beaverton, Or 10775 SW Beaverton Hillsdale Hwy. Beaverton",OR,97005
"Target T0346 - Clackamas, Or 9000 SE Sunny-side Road Clackamas",OR,97015
"Walmart 5935 - Tigard, Or 7600 SW Dartmouth St. Tigard",OR,97223
"Walmart 1784 - Salem, Or 3025 Lancaster Dr. NE Salem",OR,97305 [12/4/19]
"Target T0612 - Springfield, Or 2750 Gateway St Springfield",OR,97477

VA:
"Walmart 5969 - Chantilly, Va 4368 Chantilly Shopping Center Chantilly Chantilly",VA,20151
"Walmart 3077 - Haymarket, Va 6530 Trading Square Haymarket",VA,20169
Tysons West 1500 B Cornerside Blvd. Vienna,VA,22182 [12/6/19]

WA:
"Walmart 3794 - Federal Way, Wa 34520 16TH AVE S Federal Way",WA,98003
Safeway #1600 (Bellevue, WA) 300 BELLEVUE WAY NE Bellevue, WA 98004 (Added 1/28/20)
"Fred Meyer 457 - Bothell, Wa 21045 Bothell Everett Hwy. Bothell",WA,98021 [11/19/19]
"Boa 5-119 Kent, Wa 311 4th. Ave. N. Kent, Washington 98032 Kent",WA,98032
"Target T0995 - Redmond, Wa NE 76th St. Redmond",WA,98052

 

[GRA]

Guy,

EA and drivers are reporting Bishop and Hesperia, CA are live.

That makes two stations (Bridgeport and Bishop) on 395 on the East Side of the Sierra. Coso Junction and Mojave remain. Could EA actually be on the move to open them as well?

Paul

Paul, we had a whole bunch of road trip sites opened over the past week, so we can hope. I'd love to think that EA's openings follow some logical timetable rather than "whenever the utility and our crews can get together", but I'd probably be wrong :roll:

 

[wmcbrine]

(BTW, it's a stretch to call Teslas CHAdeMO-compatible, when they need a $450 adapter for it.)

I'm not sure it's that much of a stretch. The SAE Combo inlet on US-market Bolts isn't standard on either trim level. It's a $750 option.

That sucks, and it should be standard. But at least it's an option that gets built into the car, instead of an extra step each time you connect. Anyway, what does the Bolt have to do with what I said?

 

[GRA]

Someone visited Bishop and Bridgeport with their Kona and was not happy with how EA charged them, per plugshare yesterday, and now today both his negative reviews are gone! He was claiming that EA was charging him the second tier even though he never went into the second tier KW rates.

I'll be excited when Mojave and Coso junction open up but I will be even more excited when alternatives open up, someday.

Also, did not CA just update the laws for how EV charging stations can charge? I caught only a piece of it on the news but I thought they said no more charging for time. I'd be happy with straight charging per KWhr plus maybe a demand fee if you are on "high" end Fast chargers but I also thought the reason they charged for time was they ere not allowed to "resell" by the KWhr?

In California it's been legal to resell by kWh for years now for EV charging. Re EA pricing, this is a known issue that has been discussed here and elsewhere in the past, e.g. https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=25212&p=564950&hilit=EA+kona+niro#p564950

EA sets the price based on the max. current that the car tells it it could conceivably take at any time, not just what it can take during the current charging session. As cwerdna noted above, Konas and Niros get hosed by EA because their max. feasible charge rate (77-78kW) puts them in the second tier for the entire charge, even if they never charge that fast or only do so for a short time. Some of us have (strongly) suggested to Kia and Hyundai that they need to provide a 'select your max. allowed charge rate' setting, or else their cars will simply cost too much to use EA QC on trips and sales will suffer accordingly. Asking EA to do this themselves is pointless, as they have zero incentive to help out a competitor, especially as VW is designing their BEVs to charge at a max. of 125kW (top of tier 2). The only way to get EA to change their pricing is to get a government agency to force them to do so.

 

[danrjones]

That all makes sense though I'm still wondering what happened to the guys plugshare reviews.

Can EA remove reviews on plugshare?

I still like the idea of per KWh prices plus a demand charge for higher charging rates. Ymmv

 

[johnlocke]

Someone visited Bishop and Bridgeport with their Kona and was not happy with how EA charged them, per plugshare yesterday, and now today both his negative reviews are gone! He was claiming that EA was charging him the second tier even though he never went into the second tier KW rates.

I'll be excited when Mojave and Coso junction open up but I will be even more excited when alternatives open up, someday.

Also, did not CA just update the laws for how EV charging stations can charge? I caught only a piece of it on the news but I thought they said no more charging for time. I'd be happy with straight charging per KWhr plus maybe a demand fee if you are on "high" end Fast chargers but I also thought the reason they charged for time was they ere not allowed to "resell" by the KWhr?

In California it's been legal to resell by kWh for years now for EV charging. Re EA pricing, this is a known issue that has been discussed here and elsewhere in the past, e.g. https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=25212&p=564950&hilit=EA+kona+niro#p564950

EA sets the price based on the max. current that the car tells it it could conceivably take at any time, not just what it can take during the current charging session. As cwerdna noted above, Konas and Niros get hosed by EA because their max. feasible charge rate (77-78kW) puts them in the second tier for the entire charge, even if they never charge that fast or only do so for a short time. Some of us have (strongly) suggested to Kia and Hyundai that they need to provide a 'select your max. allowed charge rate' setting, or else their cars will simply cost too much to use EA QC on trips and sales will suffer accordingly. Asking EA to do this themselves is pointless, as they have zero incentive to help out a competitor, especially as VW is designing their BEVs to charge at a max. of 125kW (top of tier 2). The only way to get EA to change their pricing is to get a government agency to force them to do so.

California is going to require pricing per KWH delivered. There was a ruling that selling electricity was a commodity not a service, therefore pricing will need to be per KWH not service time. Not quite sure when this goes into effect but it's an administrative ruling not a law passed by the legislature.

 

[cwerdna]

(BTW, it's a stretch to call Teslas CHAdeMO-compatible, when they need a $450 adapter for it.)

I'm not sure it's that much of a stretch. The SAE Combo inlet on US-market Bolts isn't standard on either trim level. It's a $750 option.

That sucks, and it should be standard. But at least it's an option that gets built into the car, instead of an extra step each time you connect. Anyway, what does the Bolt have to do with what I said?

It's semi-related. Tesla CHAdeMO adapter is cheaper than getting SAE Combo DC FC capability on a Bolt. You gotta pay either way.

FWIW, when I stumbled across Tesla at Tokyo Motor Show (have never seen them there before) a few months ago, I asked them about whether the CHAdeMO adapter was included there. It (same adapter) was included on S and X there but optional on 3.

 

[GetOffYourGas]

California is going to require pricing per KWH delivered. There was a ruling that selling electricity was a commodity not a service, therefore pricing will need to be per KWH not service time. Not quite sure when this goes into effect but it's an administrative ruling not a law passed by the legislature.

IMO, this is not a great idea because all EVs taper their charge rates at the end. This means that drivers are no longer discouraged from hanging around at the chargers until their batteries are topped off. Busy charging stations will end up with a lower effective charging rate of kWh dispensed per hour.

 

[WetEV]

California is going to require pricing per KWH delivered. There was a ruling that selling electricity was a commodity not a service, therefore pricing will need to be per KWH not service time. Not quite sure when this goes into effect but it's an administrative ruling not a law passed by the legislature.

IMO, this is not a great idea because all EVs taper their charge rates at the end. This means that drivers are no longer discouraged from hanging around at the chargers until their batteries are topped off. Busy charging stations will end up with a lower effective charging rate of kWh dispensed per hour.

Ah yes, the fellow getting the last couple of watt hours at sub L1 rates at a DCQC (on a Nissan "No charge for a charge" card) while I waited would be pleased by this ruling, if in California. The EA station was showing 2 Amps and ~400 Volts at the end.

 

[DaveinOlyWA]

An interesting layout. Both some nose in and some "on the side" chargers. The Chademo seems to be one of the "on the side" slots.

Located next to the building in California I am assuming? Well glad to see they are addressing Skin Cancer concerns. :evil:

 

[johnlocke]

California is going to require pricing per KWH delivered. There was a ruling that selling electricity was a commodity not a service, therefore pricing will need to be per KWH not service time. Not quite sure when this goes into effect but it's an administrative ruling not a law passed by the legislature.

IMO, this is not a great idea because all EVs taper their charge rates at the end. This means that drivers are no longer discouraged from hanging around at the chargers until their batteries are topped off. Busy charging stations will end up with a lower effective charging rate of kWh dispensed per hour.

Ah yes, the fellow getting the last couple of watt hours at sub L1 rates at a DCQC (on a Nissan "No charge for a charge" card) while I waited would be pleased by this ruling, if in California. The EA station was showing 2 Amps and ~400 Volts at the end.

If you are an idiot with time to burn, I doubt it makes any difference to them how they are charged. They're going to sit there until they hit 100% anyway. They will also be getting a coffee and yakking on their cellphone long after the car has finished charging. Even charging a wait fee won't discourage them.

For the rest of us, it's a fairer way to charge for use. I hardly ever spend more then 10-20 minutes at a charger, just enough to bring me up to to where I can get home safely. I've got Solar, so charging at home is much cheaper then out in town not to mention a lot less wasted time waiting on a charge.

 

[DaveinOlyWA]

That all makes sense though I'm still wondering what happened to the guys plugshare reviews.

Can EA remove reviews on plugshare?

I still like the idea of per KWh prices plus a demand charge for higher charging rates. Ymmv

They are not removing mine. Every time I see an EA Chademo in use while CCS stations sit idle I log it as a failed charge. I have Webasto 7 miles south, EVgo (with a working station!) 6 miles north so quite easy for me to move on. I suggest others do the same. This provides a much more accurate picture of true chademo demand.

 

[DaveinOlyWA]

Someone visited Bishop and Bridgeport with their Kona and was not happy with how EA charged them, per plugshare yesterday, and now today both his negative reviews are gone! He was claiming that EA was charging him the second tier even though he never went into the second tier KW rates.

I'll be excited when Mojave and Coso junction open up but I will be even more excited when alternatives open up, someday.

Also, did not CA just update the laws for how EV charging stations can charge? I caught only a piece of it on the news but I thought they said no more charging for time. I'd be happy with straight charging per KWhr plus maybe a demand fee if you are on "high" end Fast chargers but I also thought the reason they charged for time was they ere not allowed to "resell" by the KWhr?

In California it's been legal to resell by kWh for years now for EV charging. Re EA pricing, this is a known issue that has been discussed here and elsewhere in the past, e.g. https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=25212&p=564950&hilit=EA+kona+niro#p564950

EA sets the price based on the max. current that the car tells it it could conceivably take at any time, not just what it can take during the current charging session. As cwerdna noted above, Konas and Niros get hosed by EA because their max. feasible charge rate (77-78kW) puts them in the second tier for the entire charge, even if they never charge that fast or only do so for a short time. Some of us have (strongly) suggested to Kia and Hyundai that they need to provide a 'select your max. allowed charge rate' setting, or else their cars will simply cost too much to use EA QC on trips and sales will suffer accordingly. Asking EA to do this themselves is pointless, as they have zero incentive to help out a competitor, especially as VW is designing their BEVs to charge at a max. of 125kW (top of tier 2). The only way to get EA to change their pricing is to get a government agency to force them to do so.

California is going to require pricing per KWH delivered. There was a ruling that selling electricity was a commodity not a service, therefore pricing will need to be per KWH not service time. Not quite sure when this goes into effect but it's an administrative ruling not a law passed by the legislature.

There is a massive amount of confusion over this law and when it starts. Initial articles stated billing starts Jan 1, 2020 (that did not happen) Subsequent articles claim level 2's start Jan 2021, DC starts Jan 2023 but all stations built before that time can also bill at current standards so its all quite confusing.

With the extensive experience regarding free/all you can eat billing scenario's we should have learned our lesson by now that the lack of financial disincentives causes way more problems than they fix.

https://daveinolywa.blogspot.com/2020/01/california-ev-camping.html

 

[WetEV]

If you are an idiot with time to burn, I doubt it makes any difference to them how they are charged. They're going to sit there until they hit 100% anyway. They will also be getting a coffee and yakking on their cellphone long after the car has finished charging. Even charging a wait fee won't discourage them.

Wallets do motivate. I've not seen anyone who was paying $.20 per minute do this.

 

[WetEV]

They are not removing mine. Every time I see an EA Chademo in use while CCS stations sit idle I log it as a failed charge. I have Webasto 7 miles south, EVgo (with a working station!) 6 miles north so quite easy for me to move on. I suggest others do the same. This provides a much more accurate picture of true chademo demand.

I'm puzzled why you think VW should be supplying Chademo for your Nissan.

 

[DaveinOlyWA]

They are not removing mine. Every time I see an EA Chademo in use while CCS stations sit idle I log it as a failed charge. I have Webasto 7 miles south, EVgo (with a working station!) 6 miles north so quite easy for me to move on. I suggest others do the same. This provides a much more accurate picture of true chademo demand.

I'm puzzled why you think VW should be supplying Chademo for your Nissan.

Its the law! Otherwise they wouldn't

 

[WetEV]

I'm puzzled why you think VW should be supplying Chademo for your Nissan.

Its the law! Otherwise they wouldn't

Like Tesla doesn't, eh?

 

[DaveinOlyWA]

I'm puzzled why you think VW should be supplying Chademo for your Nissan.

Its the law! Otherwise they wouldn't

Like Tesla doesn't, eh?

Seriously? You are unaware of why EA exists?

There is a major difference between the SC and EA; The SC was built with Tesla's money. EA is being built with our money.

 

[paulgipe]

I'll just chime in with Dave on the last part of this thread. The settlement agreement with VW was weaker than we'd like to have seen it. EA is meeting the minimum requirement of the settlement and CARB has no interest in pushing them to fulfill the intent. CARB doesn't think there's much demand for CHAdeMO. They've said as much--officially.

See Electrify America's DCFC Stations Favor CCS Charging Standard, http://www.wind-works.org/cms/index.php?id=725&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=5589&cHash=fff41d37326d49155d8139c7a2fbfe86 and Dave's piece

Volkswagen, CHAdeMO, and Charging Equity by Dave Laur. http://www.wind-works.org/cms/index.php?id=84&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=5587&cHash=48651056d469b32000483a404b348624

Paul
I'll put it into better links later.

 

[WetEV]

Seriously? You are unaware of why EA exists?

There is a major difference between the SC and EA; The SC was built with Tesla's money. EA is being built with our money.

SC is private, intended to establish a monopoly. Why do you think Tesla's stock price is so high? Market value 4X that of Ford motor?

Nissan is the only Chademo company left standing in the USA. Nissan is not going to build out a Chademo network, nor is anyone else by choice. EA forced to fund a single Chademo per location is about the best you might hope for, and that's not by choice.

VW was under some compulsion to do something like to fund EA, but the prime motivation for EA is for VW to have a future. If the only nationwide charging network is Tesla, that's going to be most of the market.