LTLFTcomposite
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Yeah, it's official, that is one chintzy 120v EVSE.
Definately a clean version of the others that are from a video camera at a presentation.Volusiano said:Here's an interesting youtube link that explains the Volt drive train in a simulation video. There has been many but this one seems new to me and it kinda pulls it altogether nicely.
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scottf200 said:Definately a clean version of the others that are from a video camera at a presentation.Volusiano said:Here's an interesting youtube link that explains the Volt drive train in a simulation video. There has been many but this one seems new to me and it kinda pulls it altogether nicely.
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The 2 motor high speed CD all electric driving at 2:30ish really makes this system unique STILL TODAY for highway efficient driving.
Weather here in Chicagoland is in nice high 60s and low 70s so my 45 EV miles per charges is back on my 2011 10.3/16kWh (same as I got the first 2 years ago). I see folks with the 2013 10.8/16.5 kWh battery getting over 50 miles on a charger.
jspearman said:During the mild winter in PHX I was easily getting over 50 miles in my 2013 Volt. Now in 100-degree temps I'm still getting in the mid 40's. I've really been impressed by the range, but wish the pack was 2x the size, as I hate when gas motor kicks in.
I certainly agree and something like the PHEV Outlander is going to have a lot of success. Comparables of amount of gas used (normal EV and some gas driving) would be impressive. I've gotten 40 MPG in the Volt at 65 MPH so certainly above most cars out there. I've taken more and more road trips lately and it is very comfortable for two adults.LTLFTcomposite said:I still say it's too bad they don't make a Voltec-powered mid-size crossover type thing that has some cargo/people carrying versatility. I'd be all over that, electric for around town and gas for longer trips, a great solution for the infrastructure realities of the next several years. The perfect companion to pair with a Leaf that would also cover those trips to home depot.
Bob Lutz does have a point, one thing that has been a deterrent to the Volt's success is the vehicle class it compares to gets pretty good fuel economy already. A PHEV CUV or minivan would be more compelling in that regard.
I think the fault lies with the likes of BoB Lutz - who wanted a sportsy car rather than what would really sell well. They should have started with a crossover/mini-van rather than a compact.scottf200 said:I certainly agree and something like the PHEV Outlander is going to have a lot of success. Comparables of amount of gas used (normal EV and some gas driving) would be impressive. I've gotten 40 MPG in the Volt at 65 MPH so certainly above most cars out there. I've taken more and more road trips lately and it is very comfortable for two adults.
Ford makes one, it's called the C-MAX Energi.LTLFTcomposite said:I still say it's too bad they don't make a Voltec-powered mid-size crossover type thing that has some cargo/people carrying versatility. I'd be all over that, electric for around town and gas for longer trips, a great solution for the infrastructure realities of the next several years.
So you don't think 200 million electric/battery only miles is significant?evnow said:I think the fault lies with the likes of BoB Lutz - who wanted a sportsy car rather than what would really sell well. They should have started with a crossover/mini-van rather than a compact.
Not sure that is a great example or proof <grin> if you look at the sales numbers! (Yes, I'm a Ford fan - have owned a few)drees said:Ford makes one, it's called the C-MAX Energi.LTLFTcomposite said:I still say it's too bad they don't make a Voltec-powered mid-size crossover type thing that has some cargo/people carrying versatility. I'd be all over that, electric for around town and gas for longer trips, a great solution for the infrastructure realities of the next several years.
I'd rather save the criticism for all the other manufacturers who either haven't lifted a finger, or who have been dragged kicking and screaming to put out a few hundred compliance cars in CA. At least the Volt is readily available everywhere, and I might be going out later today and adding one to their sales numbers, since our ICE just crapped out last night. I'll check out the energi but I don't have much hope of finding one in the leaf/volt lease price range.scottf200 said:So you don't think 200 million electric/battery only miles is significant?evnow said:I think the fault lies with the likes of BoB Lutz - who wanted a sportsy car rather than what would really sell well. They should have started with a crossover/mini-van rather than a compact.
How many other plug-ins cars (PHEV) would exist today if the Volt was not created? I think some credit is due - at least partially.
Irrespective of the size you use for the reply, I stand by my statement ;-)scottf200 said:So you don't think 200 million electric/battery only miles is significant?evnow said:I think the fault lies with the likes of BoB Lutz - who wanted a sportsy car rather than what would really sell well. They should have started with a crossover/mini-van rather than a compact.
How many other plug-ins cars (PHEV) would exist today if the Volt was not created? I think some credit is due - at least partially.
evnow said:Irrespective of the size you use for the reply, I stand by my statement ;-)scottf200 said:So you don't think 200 million electric/battery only miles is significant?evnow said:I think the fault lies with the likes of BoB Lutz - who wanted a sportsy car rather than what would really sell well. They should have started with a crossover/mini-van rather than a compact.
How many other plug-ins cars (PHEV) would exist today if the Volt was not created? I think some credit is due - at least partially.
Question is not one of how many miles people have driven. The question is - if instead of Volt they had put that same drive train in a vehicle with better utility would we have seen more sales and more miles. At least they would have had one more sale - to me.
drees said:Ford makes one, it's called the C-MAX Energi.LTLFTcomposite said:I still say it's too bad they don't make a Voltec-powered mid-size crossover type thing that has some cargo/people carrying versatility. I'd be all over that, electric for around town and gas for longer trips, a great solution for the infrastructure realities of the next several years.
Ford dealer just called me back, they want $528/mo for the energi on a three year lease. That's so far out there it's not even worth a dialog.TomT said:Drove an Energi and was not impressed... It wasn't so much the power train but the rest of the vehicle and the packaging...
Lot of us are in this situation. Volt won't cut it (not enough space etc), Energi is also compromised because of trunk space. Now we wait for Mitsu Outlander - or may be just Model X ( I recently moved my old S booking to X).LTLFTcomposite said:Thinking about becoming a volt+leaf household. Two leafs aren't going to work, we need something for longer distances and there is very little charging infrastructure in Florida. Tesla would great, but that's just not in the budget.
Yeah, the C-Max Energi's biggest problem is that it takes the 'U' out of 'CUV'. If it had the cargo space of the hybrid C-Max, sales would be far better. Chevy needs a CUV smaller than the Equinox (say <= 180" long), with the Voltec powertrain. The Outlander, like the Equinox, is bigger than I want or need.evnow said:Lot of us are in this situation. Volt won't cut it (not enough space etc), Energi is also compromised because of trunk space. Now we wait for Mitsu Outlander - or may be just Model X ( I recently moved my old S booking to X).LTLFTcomposite said:Thinking about becoming a volt+leaf household. Two leafs aren't going to work, we need something for longer distances and there is very little charging infrastructure in Florida. Tesla would great, but that's just not in the budget.
We're talking 2006 when it wasn't clear the battery technology would work. It would definitely NOT have worked in a vehicle the size of an SUV or mini-van. You'd need too many cells and you'd end up with a vehicle which was too expensive. So those form factors weren't an option.evnow said:Irrespective of the size you use for the reply, I stand by my statement ;-)
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