Caracalover
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Oh, and something to be cerrtain of with your scenario if money is a huge factor. The free electricity at work may start to charge for it, or a PIP or Volt may take the space. Something to consider.
Caracalover said:Ok, so now you have to post the photo.
I would say you are over thinking this, and you already have made up your mind, the only real question is used or new.
I like new. Money is not why you are buying the car, making a statement is what you are buying, and I support that statement. Life is not always about what is fiscally responsible, it is often about what is responsible.
The Rav4 EV may be an option, but without the support of the company that is making it, I would ask myself is it worth supporting? They did crush a lot of old EV Rav4s, about 200 survived. With a mesh of Tesla parts in it, it is a real car that delivers good perfomance - I test drove one today in Santa Monica - but it does not have the real commitment that Nissan has given the auto world - something to consider.
As for the Leaf, living on a hill like you do you will never need to charge it to 100% at home. For those long trips you may find that the feeling of driving a power generation station overcomes your need for speed. Regenerating energy in a Prius is not the same as doing so in a vehicle that NEVER burns gasoline.
Caracalover said:Oh, and something to be cerrtain of with your scenario if money is a huge factor. The free electricity at work may start to charge for it, or a PIP or Volt may take the space. Something to consider.
The Prius seems to be wonderfully immune to driving behavior when it comes to delivering good fuel economy as long as one doesn't drive over 75 mph or drive lots of short trips or do a lot of heavy city driving.madbrain said:I can drive my Prius at 75mph and average 45-46 MPG on the freeway.
I rarely drive that fast in the LEAF, but in my experience I'd expect to get between low to mid 3 mi/kWh according to the gauges.madbrain said:I really would like to know what the miles/kWh are at that speed in the Leaf.
HairyCairy said:"I really would like to know what the miles/kWh are at that speed in the Leaf"
I routinely drive 70-75 mph in my leaf, hey sometimes your running late. I reset the trips the other day and I averaged 3.6kw/m on my 2011 SL. Hope that helps.
When new, Nissan seems to think it has 19 to 21 kWh usable for driving. I wouldn't calculate from new capacity, however. For a lease for high-speed driving, you probably want to use 70% of that to give yourself a little margin.madbrain said:How much of the 24 kWh battery capacity is actually usable ?
RegGuheert said:When new, Nissan seems to think it has 19 to 21 kWh usable for driving. I wouldn't calculate from new capacity, however. For a lease for high-speed driving, you probably want to use 70% of that to give yourself a little margin.madbrain said:How much of the 24 kWh battery capacity is actually usable ?
You might want to have a look at Tony Williams' range chart:madbrain said:RegGuheert said:When new, Nissan seems to think it has 19 to 21 kWh usable for driving. I wouldn't calculate from new capacity, however. For a lease for high-speed driving, you probably want to use 70% of that to give yourself a little margin.madbrain said:How much of the 24 kWh battery capacity is actually usable ?
Damn. At 21 kWh usable * 3.6 miles per kWh, that's 75 mile freeway range and fine.
But at 19 kWh * 70% * 3.6 is only 48 miles, quite a difference.
GRA said:You might want to have a look at Tony Williams' range chart:
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=101293#p101293" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Hey... you didn't answer the thread at http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=10008&start=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. I don't think I met you there. I was there both days. (Yes, I drove down to So Cal mainly for the show.)Caracalover said:The Rav4 EV may be an option, but without the support of the company that is making it, I would ask myself is it worth supporting? They did crush a lot of old EV Rav4s, about 200 survived. With a mesh of Tesla parts in it, it is a real car that delivers good perfomance - I test drove one today in Santa Monica - but it does not have the real commitment that Nissan has given the auto world - something to consider.
mksE55 said:with freeway miles I hope you are thinking 55mph freeway. not 70-75mph freeway speeds. granted I did get 70 miles at 55mph new. less than 1 year later I am down to 55miles. As others mention do your calculation based on 80% charge as the high distance and 70% as the low distance at 5 years and you should be safe. I am now inclined not to recommend this car to anyone, as nissan is not warranting any battery issue even if its their own fault.
I was there Saturday all day. Didn't know if I was going with Carmageddon going on and me living right in the line of disruption. Opted to car pool with my friend who has a Tesla Roadster. Let me just say I enjoyed the ride there and back as much as the show.cwerdna said:Hey... you didn't answer the thread at http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=10008&start=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. I don't think I met you there. I was there both days. (Yes, I drove down to So Cal mainly for the show.)Caracalover said:The Rav4 EV may be an option, but without the support of the company that is making it, I would ask myself is it worth supporting? They did crush a lot of old EV Rav4s, about 200 survived. With a mesh of Tesla parts in it, it is a real car that delivers good perfomance - I test drove one today in Santa Monica - but it does not have the real commitment that Nissan has given the auto world - something to consider.
Rav4 EV was quite nice. Had lots of power.
With the Leaf, you can regen up to 30KW as you go downhill. I doubt that a Prius allows for that. I live on a mountain and when I leave the house I lose 500 feet in the first mile or two. I never use the brake pads. After the first year I still have over 95% of my brake pads, and every Sunday I drive it over the mountain range to the high desert. These days I find I am faster on the freeway than most people, due to them wanting to conserve fuel. I rarely look at the M/KW. Likely you will see this trend yourself soon. Beauty of the Leaf is you can always choose to slow down and take it easy if you think you need to. When you get comfortable with how it works you will hot rod when you can, and drive green when you can't hot rod. For the most part, you can hot rod. With my solar, I get 100+mpg equiv no matter how or where I drive, and it costs me nothing. A prius can't do that either.madbrain said:Caracalover said:As for the Leaf, living on a hill like you do you will never need to charge it to 100% at home. For those long trips you may find that the feeling of driving a power generation station overcomes your need for speed. Regenerating energy in a Prius is not the same as doing so in a vehicle that NEVER burns gasoline.
I wonder about that really. I can drive my Prius at 75mph and average 45-46 MPG on the freeway.
I really would like to know what the miles/kWh are at that speed in the Leaf.
While I live on a hill, it is very steep, I normally go downhill from 700ft to sea level in the first half mile, so it doesn't help the mileage all that much.
mksE55 said:with freeway miles I hope you are thinking 55mph freeway. not 70-75mph freeway speeds. granted I did get 70 miles at 55mph new. less than 1 year later I am down to 55miles. As others mention do your calculation based on 80% charge as the high distance and 70% as the low distance at 5 years and you should be safe. I am now inclined not to recommend this car to anyone, as nissan is not warranting any battery issue even if its their own fault.
Caracalover said:With the Leaf, you can regen up to 30KW as you go downhill. I doubt that a Prius allows for that.
I live on a mountain and when I leave the house I lose 500 feet in the first mile or two. I never use the brake pads.
DaveinOlyWA said:i average 55-60 mph and get easily over 80 miles on a charge.
I haven't followed this thread closely, but if you drive 55-60 mph on many Bay Area freeways, you will practically get run over. Speed limit on most freeways is 65 mph. People drive faster here in general (and vs. the speed limit) than in WA.DaveinOlyWA said:i average 55-60 mph and get easily over 80 miles on a charge. you might want to look at other factors like tire pressure. running at Nissan recommended pressure can take miles off the range and your tires life.mksE55 said:with freeway miles I hope you are thinking 55mph freeway. not 70-75mph freeway speeds. granted I did get 70 miles at 55mph new. less than 1 year later I am down to 55miles. As others mention do your calculation based on 80% charge as the high distance and 70% as the low distance at 5 years and you should be safe. I am now inclined not to recommend this car to anyone, as nissan is not warranting any battery issue even if its their own fault.
cwerdna said:Doing 55-60 here means you'll need to stay in the right lane(s). I can say it's mighty inconvenient and annoying to be in the rightmost lane w/the people exiting and entering the freeway constantly. One will need to keep moving over to accommodate those entering. I've tried it enough times while trying test out "superhighway mode" in my Prius. SHM is not suited to Bay Area freeway speeds at all.
madbrain: I lived in WA state for ~9 years but in the Seattle area. I can't speak to the Olympia area where Dave lives but I can say that in the Seattle area, people drive much slower than Nor Cal. Speed limits on the highways there were typically 60 mph until you got further away from major cities/towns. It's not uncommon for people to drive below the speed limit in the fast lane for no reason there and hold up traffic (not move over when cars are piling up).
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