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Such a glaring oversight can easily make the difference between a 6-to-9-year payback period and a failed business.Navigant Research said:Operating costs are quite low.
The link in that article shows the table of contents of the much more detailed report, and presumably how they get to that $2.9b figure is described in that, assuming anyone (not me) is willing to pay big bucks to read it.RegGuheert said:<snip details>
Given the difficulty of making a business out of EV charging, I have a bit of trouble seeing the growth from $81M to $2.9B in 10 years that they seemed to pull out of thin air to put into the colored chart.
Thanks. I didn't see the table of contents.GRA said:The link in that article shows the table of contents of the much more detailed report, and presumably how they get to that $2.9b figure is described in that, assuming anyone (not me) is willing to pay big bucks to read it.RegGuheert said:<snip details>
Given the difficulty of making a business out of EV charging, I have a bit of trouble seeing the growth from $81M to $2.9B in 10 years that they seemed to pull out of thin air to put into the colored chart.
I think most consumers will pay more..Slow1 said:What they seem to have ignored (which I believe is essential) is the question of whether consumers would be willing to pay anything higher than their home electrical rate if they don't HAVE to do so.
desiv said:I think most consumers will pay more..Slow1 said:What they seem to have ignored (which I believe is essential) is the question of whether consumers would be willing to pay anything higher than their home electrical rate if they don't HAVE to do so.
We understand that it costs money to provide that service, and we're willing to pay for that if it's fairly convenient or really needed.
Now, with the 200 mile BEVs, the "needed" part will probably be decreasing..
But if it's convenienct and not too expensive, I still see it happening.
But it can't be TOO expensive.. If it's more expensive than I pay for electric during the day, OK; but when it's more expensive than gas, that's a problem. ;-)
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adric22 said:There is, of course, another unknown phenomenon. I think we're seeing the early beginning for an explosion of short-range PHEVs in the market. And with falling battery prices and weight, I hope to see a day soon where the traditional hybrid disappears completely in favor of PHEV simply because there will be very little cost difference to build one. All of these 20-mile PHEVs are going to want to be recharging as much as possible, especially when gas prices go back up to $4 per gallon or more.
Slow1 said:High speed (DCQC or whatever comes after) charging options do have potential for road trips as 'charge at home' is not really an option if you are driving across the country. But folks who need to travel across the country are unlikely to be willing to spend more time charging than driving. If I 'burn' 20kWh an hour (driving 75mph in Leaf is about this wouldn't you agree?) implies that I need to charge at least at 20kW in order to have equal driving/charging. Now, what is the drive/stop ratio that folks are willing to have on a long trip? When driving my ICE I generally plan to stop every 3-4 hours and expect that stop to be about 30-45 minutes. So going with shortest time that would be 3hrs (60kWh) of driving with 30 minutes stop (approx 120kW charging rate). Hmm... Guess we still need some maturation of the tech to do that (or battery swaps...).
Don't need a research report to predict that trend eh?
adric22 said:There is, of course, another unknown phenomenon. I think we're seeing the early beginning for an explosion of short-range PHEVs in the market. And with falling battery prices and weight, I hope to see a day soon where the traditional hybrid disappears completely in favor of PHEV simply because there will be very little cost difference to build one. All of these 20-mile PHEVs are going to want to be recharging as much as possible, especially when gas prices go back up to $4 per gallon or more.
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