TickTock
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I am very annoyed with this whole thing. FP solves a problem that doesn't exist and can only hurt the EV migration. Remember the Beta vs. VHS fiasco?
oldie but goodie
oldie but goodie
There IS one good thing regarding FrankenPlug . . . due in large part to it's creation, 1- Nissan got on the ball and started putting Chademo's at their dealerships. 2- Chademo knocked off the asinine attempt at making Chademo membership an expensive game, secret decoder ring included. Jeez ... talk about shooting their selves in the foot. If companies learned anything from Microsoft giving away so much of its crap, it's that that way, everyone has their crap, so you end up with the major hitter. imo Frankenplug could STILL make a come back if they use the Bill Gates philosophy.mwalsh said:fastcharge said:So question then. What do you think Ford and GM will do? Will they simply not worry about DC charging in the next few years?
Oh, they'll continue to push the standard, as will the SAE. But they won't roll out any infrastructure. I can almost guarantee it.
hill said:Frankenplug could STILL make a come back if they use the Bill Gates philosophy.
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TonyWilliams said:(except the Made in 'Merica, not Jap-land fly-over states that won't buy EVs anyway).
fastcharge said:TonyWilliams said:(except the Made in 'Merica, not Jap-land fly-over states that won't buy EVs anyway).
What does that even mean?
TonyWilliams said:That sells really well in the states in the middle of the country that vote red and watch Faux Nooze ad nauseum.
I remember you said that part of the "not-just-a-compliance" portion was to actually ship one Spark with the SAE plug and to make Spark available in non-CARB areas. Do they have to meet any other requirements? (like sell a specific number in non-CARB areas?)TonyWilliams said:Keep in mind, Spark EV still has to get over the hurdle of "proving" it's not just a compliance car to get the 200 Frankenplug stations with NRG/EVgo.
jhm614 said:I remember you said that part of the "not-just-a-compliance" portion was to actually ship one Spark with the SAE plug and to make Spark available in non-CARB areas. Do they have to meet any other requirements? (like sell a specific number in non-CARB areas?)TonyWilliams said:Keep in mind, Spark EV still has to get over the hurdle of "proving" it's not just a compliance car to get the 200 Frankenplug stations with NRG/EVgo.
fastcharge said:TonyWilliams said:That sells really well in the states in the middle of the country that vote red and watch Faux Nooze ad nauseum.
I was afraid that is what you meant. There are plenty of people that live in the middle of the country that want to see EV's flourish just as much as the people in California. You will get more support if you don't generalize and divide people.
Yes, it seems odd the OP's 2nd post sure sounds like astroturfing, esp. given that he joined only a few days ago.dm33 said:Do you work for or have a vested financial interest in a company sponsoring the SAE combo plug such as GM?fastcharge said:I think Nissan USA should start offering the Leaf with the SAE combo plug in the near future.
There's nothing wrong with that, but some disclosure would be nice. Recently joined and the only thing that seems important is not anything related to the LEAF but only adoption of the SAE combo plug. This type of post reminds me of some that I see on a particular GM EV site that makes me wonder if GM is actively encouraging posts to spread their position.
There was recently a post on reddit about astroturfing that was interesting.
Problem is, as I've pointed out many times, there's not even room on the car inlet side of many shipping BEVs and PHEVs to accommodate Frankenplug, even of on vehicles from two Frankenplug cast members. See http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/12357-SAE-vs-CHAdeMO/page10?p=325919&viewfull=1#post325919" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.braineo said:I'm tlaking about the charger plug on the car - which can take AC or DC on the same connector.
Let's see, the Leaf has more 70K units sold worldwide (http://www.nissan-global.com/EN/DOCUMENT/HTML/FINANCIAL/SPEECH/2013/20131st_speech_715_e.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false and is the best selling EV. Tesla is somewhere past 10K Model S units sold.Balch went on to describe the current situation as a "hodgepodge of fast charging standards" with Tesla having its own proprietary level 3 system, Nissan and Mitsubishi using CHADEMO. He noted that last week, at EVS26, an alliance of 8 automakers (including GM) announced support for a the "combo plug" designed by the SAE DC Fast Charging committee. He described this as "a new standard," one "that is going to come, probably before the end of this year," meaning the SAE committee is expected to approve the standard this summer, charging stations are expected to become available late in the year, and cars to become available in 2013.
The bombshell then landed when Balch said "we need to make sure, especially because we're talking about taxpayer money, that ONLY those standards are installed going forward." Meaning that because the SAE DC Fast Charge standard is the only "standardized" fast charging system, this is the system to endorse. Balch was actually boooo'd at this point, but he went on to remind us of the past history, that we know its a bad move to have competing charging connector standards. Finally, he said "there is a very small group of cars that use a non-standardized level 3 charging connector," referring to the Nissan Leaf and Mitsubishi i-MiEV and the upcoming Tesla Model S...
Originally Posted by SteveC5088 on GM-Volt Forum said:I went looking, and until now wasn't aware that there is an industry division/debate between DC Fast Chargers (US and European cars) and the CHAdeMO (Japanese/Asian) chargers.
fastcharge said:I came across this video on a CHAdeMO charger:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KDgIKOE56o
Has anyone found something like that for the SAE Combo? I would like to see it in action. I realize it is not on the streets but there could be a marketing video somewhere.
mwalsh said:Yeah. Good luck with that. I've only ever seen pictures of two - one had the GM bowtie plastered on the front and was plugged into a Spark. But it was sitting at the Welcome screen, so I doubt it was a functioning unit.
hyperlexis said:Don't switch to X plug or my car will be rendered worthless, boo-hoo.... (Don't worry, it will be worthless because of battery degredation, not a plug....)...
If Nissan thinks it is best to adapt to the SAE plug, who cares! So what! It's a plug! Or, vice versa if they stay with Chademo while everyone else goes with SAE, well OK too.
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