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http://seekingalpha.com/article/202225-nissan-leaf-close-to-profitability-told-you-so?source=commenter
This "math" seems squirrelly. Why assume 1/3 the cost? I would gauge Tesla is about 1/2, Volt about 1/4.Told You So: Nissan Close to Profitability on Leaf
The batteries must be coming down rapidly in cost.
by MICHAEL KANELLOS: APRIL 30, 2010
How much money will Nissan lose on the all-electric Leaf?
It's been the big question in the car industry. Skeptics have alleged that the company will lose hundreds of millions of dollars. Nissan needs a hit to gain ground against Honda and Toyota, the argument goes, so the company is willing to absorb losses now to gain market share and leadership.
On the other hand, others said that Nissan and NEC have likely managed to squeeze out a lot of the costs related to making the car's battery. The two companies have worked on the Leaf's lithium ion polymer battery, which consists of sheets of active battery material layered on top of each other, for nearly seven years.
Here's our math. The Leaf will retail for $32,780 before federal and state rebates and batteries typically comprise one-third of the cost of electric cars. Right now, conventional lithium ion batteries for cars cost around $900 per kilowatt hour. The Leaf has a 24 kilowatt-hour battery. Under that math, a Leaf battery -- if it were more like a regular electric car battery -- should cost around $21,000. Thus, the Leaf, if it had an ordinary battery, should cost closer to $60,000.... more at Source: http://www.greentechmedia.com
Futura said:Most blogs reprint the entire article but give obvious attribution at the top or bottom; SeekingAlpha, not so much.
“We not going to lose money on this. I don’t have a boss who would endure that,” he said, referring to Carlos Ghosn, whose nickname is 'the cost killer'.
Dominique suggests that Nissan will pay much less for LEAF's high-power, high-energy laminated li-ion pack. "At $500 per kWh, my battery would cost $12,000," he tells us. "It will be a lot less than that."
KarenRei said:Oy, why are people still listening to this Seeking Alpha guy? He's always writing these reports with completely bogus numbers about li-ion batteries; he's heavily invested in lead-acid.
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