I should write a Tips & Tricks for Tesla drivers. #1 would be to inform them that slowing down beats sitting around stopped and charging.
Thank you, some actual Rav4 PHEV information in after all this official RAV4 threadOrientExpress said:SageBrush said:You hear what you want to hear.
I was only saying that your statements are are at best distorted spin and FUD.
As usual
My goodness! I'm sorry that this sort of stuff is so difficult for you.
https://insideevs.com/reviews/450140/toyota-rav4-prime-test-drive/
DougWantsALeaf said:Are those for SR+ or LR model 3s?
FTFY.LeftieBiker said:I should write a Tips & Tricks for EV drivers. #1 would be to inform them that slowing down beats sitting around stopped and charging.
I played around with this question a couple of years ago for fun. It is easiest to solve with calculus as a maxima exercise, and it obviously depends on the charging power. In general the charging power past ~ 70 or 80% SoC is too low to offset high speed driving.LeftieBiker said:I should write a Tips & Tricks for Tesla drivers. #1 would be to inform them that slowing down beats sitting around stopped and charging.
dmacarthur said:Another part of the calculitic equation that is interesting is that, apparently, an electric car can accelerate to speed as fast as it wants to without efficiency penalty, unlike an ICE car whose gas motor is not operating as efficiently during the jackrabbit starts.... So, accelerating and slowing down rapidly are not factors in overall mileage.
goldbrick said:Accelerating quickly also gets the car to a faster velocity sooner so it will spend more time pushing air at that velocity than a slower start. Probably not measurable but it's a factor.
I think the bigger contributor would be the quick stops. This implies brake use which converts kinetic energy to heat with an efficiency of about 100%. Using regen will get some of that back but there are losses there as well. So start fast if you like but coast as long as possible before stopping if maximum range is the goal.
SageBrush said:It is amusing that I am the only one here who has owned a PHEV, let along owned one and praised it repeatedly in this forum.
I have also said that my objection is not to the design but to the fleet results, which in my opinion argues against PHEV subsidy. And face it folks, without subsidy PHEV sales would dry up as fast as GRA could say "I drive a 20 mpg ICE."
As for @orient and his usual BS, I decided to correct his FUD that EVs must stop every ~ 150 miles for 30 - 45 minutes. Just because it is true for some EVs does not give him license to concoct a BS narrative
It is amusing that I am the only one here who has owned a PHEV, let along owned one and praised it repeatedly in this forum.
GRA said:Re subsidies, without them, perks like SO HOV stickers, free parking and no tills, and government mandates or ZEV zones, BEV sales would similarly dry up. All AFV sales remain dependent on one or more of the above, except those sold to people for whom transportation value for the dollar is of little or no concern.
GRA said:BTW, my ICE is rated at 27 HWY (25 under the current test regimen), and I normally get 28-30 on trips, which constitute 90-95% of my usage.
Yes, that was a typo.LeftieBiker said:It is amusing that I am the only one here who has owned a PHEV, let along owned one and praised it repeatedly in this forum.
I had missed this. We had a PHEV in our two person family for seven years. We got it at my urging. I drove it often some years, less often others. I worked on it occasionally. It was actually me who, along with other PIP drivers, hounded Toyota to add cabin heat, preferably a heat pump. Does the fact that my name wasn't on the title really mean anything?
(BTW: the saying is "let alone")
Pretty much, although *some* coasting rather than max coasting is also quite effective in a car with regen.goldbrick said:I think the bigger contributor would be the quick stops. This implies brake use which converts kinetic energy to heat with an efficiency of about 100%. Using regen will get some of that back but there are losses there as well. So start fast if you like but coast as long as possible before stopping if maximum range is the goal.
You often characterize the other person that lives in the house you live in as your 'housemate.' And it was her car (and I presume her money), not yours. So it seemed reasonable to exclude you from the dataset. Have I brought you two closer together ?
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