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Re: I would be happy if nissan wasn't keeping us in the dark

Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:25 pm

That's great Charlie. I am sure the LEAFs are being delayed to customers in Japan as well!? I would love to hear from Nissan personally. I received a call from Nissan corporate end of November and he said that I would have an update on my LEAF by now, of course I have had no responses or updates since then.
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Re: I would be happy if nissan wasn't keeping us in the dark

Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:38 am

I am not sure why my Leaf order has been delayed, and I am really not sure where in the "production process" my Leaf order , placed on 31 August and confirmed on that day, is, but here is how the feedback looks for my order of the new Volt"

08/05/2010 - (1100) Order Placed at Dealership Order passed GM edit tables but dealers has not received allocation to place order
08/05/2010 - (1102) Order Entered via Web
08/23/2010 - (2030) Order edited or modified
09/20/2010 - (2030) Order edited or modified
09/24/2010 - (2030) Order edited or modified
10/19/2010 - (2030) Order edited or modified
11/11/2010 - (2000) Order Accepted by GM Dealer used allocation to place order into production
11/16/2010 - (2500) Order Preferenced Order pulled to the production system
11/16/2010 - (3000) Order accepted by production control. Parts being ordered and production process is underway.
11/30/2010 - (3100) Order available to sequence.
11/30/2010 - (3300) Order Scheduled for Production Order is scheduled into the plant build cycle
11/30/2010 - (1102) Order Entered via Web
11/30/2010 - (3400) Order Broadcast (Internal Plant Paperwork Order Produced) Order is sent to various build & supplier areas to bring order together
12/21/2010 - (3800) Order produced and vehicle is being prepared for shipping. (Cadillac, GMC and Buick customers please contact your dealer or customer service for further updates. No further updates available at this time.)

GM has a portal where orders can be tracked as they move through the production AND delivery process. Apparently Volt buyers can even track the delivery shipping of their cars via either truck or rail carrier from the plant to the dealer...

How does THIS compare to how Nissan is handling our orders once they get them? Clearly I must acknowledge ordering the Leaf was a MUCH, MUCH easier and more civilized process than trying to find a Chevy dealer who would even take an order...and then take one even at MSRP. But once I did find a working relationship with a nongouging dealer...the Volt delivery process has been massively more transparent than what I am experiencing with the Leaf.

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Re: I would be happy if nissan wasn't keeping us in the dark

Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:44 am

GeorgeParrott wrote:...the Volt delivery process has been massively more transparent than what I am experiencing with the Leaf.
The basic difference is - Volt dashboard is directly connected (getting feeds from?) their manufacturing system. With Leaf they are two entirely different systems.
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Re: I would be happy if nissan wasn't keeping us in the dark

Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:53 am

evnow wrote:
GeorgeParrott wrote:...the Volt delivery process has been massively more transparent than what I am experiencing with the Leaf.
The basic difference is - Volt dashboard is directly connected (getting feeds from?) their manufacturing system. With Leaf they are two entirely different systems.

Why?
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Re: I would be happy if nissan wasn't keeping us in the dark

Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:55 am

The Leaf will not arrive a day early or a day late for not broadcasting every nit picky step of production, processing and delivery.
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Re: I would be happy if nissan wasn't keeping us in the dark

Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:56 am

palmermd wrote:Why?
Probably because Leaf is not manufactured here.

BTW, OP after making this thread hasn't posted a single word. In other forums this would be taken as a flame bait.
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Re: I would be happy if nissan wasn't keeping us in the dark

Wed Dec 22, 2010 9:09 am

Likely New-GM is using the same ordering system that GM used before they "cut loose" many of their dealers and their stockholders.

Nissan is scrambling to invent a new system, and it appears to me that they happened to get in bed with incompetents.

So, give them a year or so to fix it, and improve on it.

I believe that Nissan is most likely MORE frustrated over the situation than we are.
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Re: I would be happy if nissan wasn't keeping us in the dark

Wed Dec 22, 2010 9:09 am

Likely New-GM is using the same ordering system that GM used before they "cut loose" many of their dealers and their stockholders.

Nissan is scrambling to invent a new system, and it appears to me that they happened to get in bed with incompetents.

So, give them a year or so to fix it, and improve on it.

I believe that Nissan is most likely MORE frustrated over the situation than we are.
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Re: I would be happy if nissan wasn't keeping us in the dark

Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:52 pm

I'm not cutting Nissan that much slack. I believe they have the information, and they know exactly what orders are accepted, where they are in scheduling/production/transportation. They couldn't run a car manufacturing business otherwise.

It's clearly in their interest to keep this information private, while GM sees it as advantageous to make the information available to customers.

I don't believe Nissan (as a company) is so incompetent in the IT area that they can't possibly know where everyone's car is. They can, and they do, they just aren't giving that info to customers (or dealers). I won't speculate as to why, because I don't know at all.

Last, to those who say "STFU and wait for your car", yeah, nobody is saying information would get it here sooner.
Some people need to plan around a new car delivery. The information has real value, beyond curiosity. To them, the GM approach is superior, and Nissan's is frustrating. You aren't going to convince them that Nissan has a better system, because they don't.

Me, just curious -- I have a car to drive in the meantime and nothing material to plan.

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Re: I would be happy if nissan wasn't keeping us in the dark

Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:08 pm

evnow wrote: BTW, OP after making this thread hasn't posted a single word. In other forums this would be taken as a flame bait.
Bait worked, we bit down hard and have not let go.
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