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Re: EVSE Installation, Info and Cost Comparison Thread

Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:16 am

chipcustomizer wrote:Hi All,
I need some help, perhaps one of you can let me know what's going on here. I got my garage pre-wired with a 240 non-fusable switch wired to my panel with a 40 Amp breaker. My electrician charged me about $300.

The AV guy came out, did the assessment for 5 min and charged $100. Said he was going to recommend a minimum install with a 15' cable on the EVSE. Just today I got the quote and here was the breakdown:

Install - $800
EVSE - $721
Shipping - $50

I called up and thought $800 for the install was ridiculous since all they have to do is plug the thing into the switch I already have installed. I told them I'd rather just buy the EVSE and do it myself. They changed the form online so I had the option. I accepted all the terms and now they want to charge me $995 for the EVSE!

I really really hate doing business with companies that do that sort of thing. They will charge me $721 for the EVSE if they do the job but if I just want the EVSE they are going to charge me over $250 more?! Where is the sense in that.

Anyone have any advice? I feel like AVs got me in a corner. Please help.
...Dan
I also paid the sucker fee to find that it costs $2,124.07 to purchase the unit, bolt it to the wall and twist on three wire nuts.
My home is fully prewired and inspected for EV as part of the city building code.
I will not give AV another penny. Leviton 160 will be in my garage as soon as it is available.
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Re: EVSE Installation, Info and Cost Comparison Thread

Fri Apr 08, 2011 1:21 pm

chipcustomizer wrote:I actually got a list of possible Nissan approved devices from Nissan directly:

ECOTality - http://www.theevproject.com
Clipper Creek CS40 - http://www.clippercreek.com
Clipper Creek LCS25 - http://www.clippercreek.com
Coulomb CT2100 - http://www.coulombtech.com/products-cha ... ations.php
Coulomb CT500 - http://www.coulombtech.com/products-cha ... ations.php
SPX - https://www.homecharging.spx.com/volt/D ... x?id=25&me
Schneider - http://www.schneider-electric.us/products-
GE - http://www.geindustrial.com/products/st ... agination-

Some of the links work some of them I couldn't find the device they were selling, but I'm not sure if anyone else has tried any of these other systems and prefers them over the AV model.
FYI, the CS-100 is just a CS-40 with a few internal adjustments and I guess a thicker cable. It should also be compatible. At least, that I hope since I already got one and won't be able to test it for another 8-12 months. :roll:
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Re: EVSE Installation, Info and Cost Comparison Thread

Fri May 27, 2011 7:39 am

I'm considering a Leaf, but I'm completely confused by the charging options.

I understand that the standard Leaf connection is 120 volt.

There's a modification available that can then use 240 volt.

There's also a home unit that can be installed onto a 240 volt outlet.

Finally, there's a "DC" option.

Is there anywhere I can get an explanation as to what the difference is between the various options, as to how long it takes to charge the Leaf?

I see some posts that suggest a plain old 240 volt outlet is pretty much the same as the dedicated home charger, but I also see many posts about installing a home charger. What's the diffeence? What does the more expensive home charger get you?

Finally, there's the super-fast DC option, but I also read it may cause the battery to lose capacity at a faster rate than the other options. How big a deal is that, and how is the "DC" option supported as far as equipment?

I know that this is probably covered somewhere on this forum, but when I do searches I get so many hits that I can't find the answers.

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Re: EVSE Installation, Info and Cost Comparison Thread

Fri May 27, 2011 8:11 am

Start with:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Leaf#Recharging

(be sure to click on the level 1 and 2 links)

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Leaf#United_States

(see especially the charging options section).

Then ask any remaining questions.

Edit: don't forget to follow the references to see some of the options, like the level 1 upgrade
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Re: EVSE Installation, Info and Cost Comparison Thread

Fri May 27, 2011 9:25 am

Thanks! Those links covered my questions pretty well.

The first link also mentioned a greater charging capacity planned for 2012:

"Nissan plans to double the power of the on-board charger to 6.6-kilowatt (8.9 hp) in the 2012 model year Leaf."

After reading the materials I think I would choose the modified level-1 cable converted to level-2 capacity. It looks to be at least $1,000 cheaper than the installed permanent home unit.

I'm still on the fence about the Leaf, but the much simpler and cheaper 240-volt charging option makes owning a Leaf a lot more attractive.

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Re: EVSE Installation, Info and Cost Comparison Thread

Fri May 27, 2011 10:12 am

Since you mention frequent DC QC shortens the battery life.... Nissan also suggests 80% charge to extend battery life.

I have been using the unmodified OEM 120v connector exclusively to get 80% charged all week for my commute and 100% for running around on weekends. This has not presented a problem even when I get home with just a dozen miles range remaining. May not be the best permanent solution but it does illustrate that generally most can get by on the basic included L1 until you have the car for a while and figure out what is best for you.

I am still waiting for the Leviton 160 (16a 240v) wall unit before I make a decision.
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Re: EVSE Installation, Info and Cost Comparison Thread

Fri May 27, 2011 11:03 am

Deciduous wrote:I'm considering a Leaf, but I'm completely confused by the charging options.

...
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Re: EVSE Installation, Info and Cost Comparison Thread

Fri May 27, 2011 1:02 pm

Deciduous wrote:The first link also mentioned a greater charging capacity planned for 2012:

"Nissan plans to double the power of the on-board charger to 6.6-kilowatt (8.9 hp) in the 2012 model year Leaf."
Given that the Ford Focus EV will have 6.6 KW charging, it is pretty certain that Nissan will make this change to stay competitive.
After reading the materials I think I would choose the modified level-1 cable converted to level-2 capacity. It looks to be at least $1,000 cheaper than the installed permanent home unit.
The only reason I didn't choose the modified L1 unit for my charging is that I live in a condo and want something attached to the wall so it doesn't disappear. Also, it was pretty new at the time I made my decision. I will probably still get my L1 EVSE modified for use when I drive 50 miles and need an extra (and quicker) boost to make sure I get home.
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Re: EVSE Installation, Info and Cost Comparison Thread

Fri May 27, 2011 1:25 pm

Deciduous wrote: After reading the materials I think I would choose the modified level-1 cable converted to level-2 capacity. It looks to be at least $1,000 cheaper than the installed permanent home unit.
I spent about $1,500 to buy an A/V (cash/carry, pre-price hike) and get it installed. If I'd had my electrician wire (essentially) the same circuit to provide a 240-volt outlet for the modified L1, plus paid for the L1 modifications, I'd have been out probably $800-1,000, since I'd have had to put the outlet for an L1 much further into the garage (I use the full 25' cord from the A/V EVSE, installed by the garage door), requiring a longer conduit run from the panel.

I'm not sure how to 'price' the convenience factors: 1)just pulling the cable off the hangar, 2)not worrying about the L1 EVSE 'dangling' from a plug or the connections coming loose, 3)not having to remove/stow the unit in the bag/trunk each time you leave home, but it's > 0.

So, I don't regret getting the permanent EVSE installed.
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Re: EVSE Installation, Info and Cost Comparison Thread

Sat May 28, 2011 12:00 am

I hope other people have a better charger installation experience that I had. I was a "September" order that slid to October 1st. I believe that this was because I was waiting for the ETEC approval. My delivery date went from April to May, and I ended up picking up the car on May 5th (yea!).

The first time SDG&E contacted us was in March 29th, and we finally got the charger working today (May 27th) which is 22 days after picking up the car. There seemed to be one delay after the next. Some of the delays were because I live in a condo and every time someone came out to our place (sdg&e, baker electric, inspector, etc) they told me that they were unable to do multi-family units and had to send someone different whom I had to meet again a few days later. Other delays came from random things such as SDG&E changing the 2nd meter requirement from 4-pin to 5-pin after the electrical work was done the first time and before they came out to install the meter.

Anyway, if you live in a condo I suggest that you budget extra time for the charger installation. It has been quite a challenge keeping our leaf charged, and we were unable to get it to 100% for much of the work week.

I am lucky that the electric meters for our building are directly on the other side of my personal garage wall that I wanted the charger attached to. Final cost was $1,778 - $1,200(EV Project) = $578.

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