Brodequin
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Re: Things You REALLY Need to Know When Shopping for a Used Leaf

Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:59 pm

Thanks for the very informative post. This really helps a lot when buying 2nd hand Leaf.

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Re: Things You REALLY Need to Know When Shopping for a Used Leaf

Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:36 pm

You're welcome. I'll be adding a section on 40kwh Leafs shortly.
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Re: Things You REALLY Need to Know When Shopping for a Used Leaf

Sun Jan 19, 2020 1:39 pm

I posted a related question about heat pumps at viewtopic.php?f=27&t=30803

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Re: Things You REALLY Need to Know When Shopping for a Used Leaf

Sun Jan 19, 2020 3:45 pm

I also responded there. Can anyone confirm that ALL 2017 SV Leafs have the heat pump? I seem to remember something about heated seats and wheel being optional that year, but don't remember for sure, and don't know if the heat pump was also optional. Starting in 2018 the heat pump is standard only in the SL, still not available in the S, and part of the All Weather Package in the SV.
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Re: Things You REALLY Need to Know When Shopping for a Used Leaf

Sun Jan 19, 2020 6:21 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 3:45 pm
I also responded there. Can anyone confirm that ALL 2017 SV Leafs have the heat pump? I seem to remember something about heated seats and wheel being optional that year, but don't remember for sure, and don't know if the heat pump was also optional.
From the specs tab of https://usa.nissannews.com/en-US/releas ... -press-kit, heat pump is included standard on '17 SV and '17 SL.

I believe it was starting with '16 model years did they start screwing with rear heated seats not being available nor standard unless you got SL.

See https://usa.nissannews.com/en-US/releas ... -press-kit specs tab and the '17 press kit above. Search for rear heated.

I just usually Google for stuff like 2016 leaf press kit site:nissannews.com. Make sure you arrive at the US press kits and not the Canadian ones.

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Re: Things You REALLY Need to Know When Shopping for a Used Leaf

Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:04 pm

Thanks. I knew that they didn't list the options in a readable form there, and was hoping to just pick someone's brain. ;)
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Re: Things You REALLY Need to Know When Shopping for a Used Leaf

Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:48 pm

The buying guide has been updated, especially in the 30kwh Leaf section. It now reflects the 40kwh warranty replacement bonus, as well as how to tell if a 2016 leaf has the 24kwh or 30kwh pack. If you haven't read the guide before, it's the first post in this topic. If you haven't read it in a while, please read it again before shopping for a used leaf. Sometime this year I hope to update it again, to include the 40kwh leaf.
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Re: Things You REALLY Need to Know When Shopping for a Used Leaf

Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:16 am

I'm currently considering buying 2017 30kWh car which seems too good to be true. LeafSpy shows AHr=79 and SOH=97.98%. It also shows 304 Quick Charges and 459 L2/L2s.

To me this seems like it's too good to possibly be true, and the BMS must have been reset. Any opinions welcome.
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Re: Things You REALLY Need to Know When Shopping for a Used Leaf

Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:58 pm

Posted in 4 different Leaf forums. Credits attached.

Hopefully it gets you the notoriety you want :)

I agree that Nissan should have done more to educate the early buyer to prolong battery life. Tesla did a bit better.
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Re: Things You REALLY Need to Know When Shopping for a Used Leaf

Tue Sep 29, 2020 4:54 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:58 pm
I agree that Nissan should have done more to educate the early buyer to prolong battery life. Tesla did a bit better.
They did, but many people didn't RTFM like the 6 bar '13 driver at viewtopic.php?f=9&t=31297&p=587653#p587652 or read the disclosures (if they received the forms at purchase/lease time).

Oddly, some of the cautions went away once Nissan removed the 80% limiter ("long-life mode") starting w/model year '14: https://insideevs.com/news/320736/2014- ... -84-miles/.

See pages:
EV-23 of https://owners.nissanusa.com/content/te ... manual.pdf.
EV-24 of https://owners.nissanusa.com/content/te ... manual.pdf
EV-24 of https://owners.nissanusa.com/content/te ... manual.pdf

And, some people leased with no intention to buy at the end, so they probably didn't care.

But, I agree, Nissan could've done more to strongly encourage like in the car's UI, app, etc. and instead of taking away the 80% limiter, added a more flexible one that Tesla's had for ages or maybe even day 1 of Model S. GM also added a more flexible one with Bolt starting w/model year '19 (40 to 100% limiter instead of hilltop reserve on/off).

Side note: Two Bolt drivers on my street leave their Bolts unplugged outside/on the street when it hits past 90 or 100 F so the battery thermal management may never engage while parked w/car off (or it engages at some really high unknown temp): https://www.chevybolt.org/threads/batte ... ost-512173 (27 C = 80.6 F). GM hasn't ever published these thresholds AFAIK.

I haven't talked to them about this and am not sure if they're leasing. They both had gen 1 Leafs before, but they leased them and returned them at end of lease.

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