danrjones
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Location: Ridgecrest, CA

Re: My 2018 Leaf is not what I expected

Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:00 pm

Sthbeach,

I'm going to sound like Sage, but the leaf probably isnt right for you.

Nobody should drive a vehicle and feel uncomfortable doing it.

I have no idea what incentives or rebates you got, and whether you can sell it and get into something else.

Solar and a different ev may or may not fit into your finances. Saving the environment is great, but YOU actually have to pay, not anyone here. Good luck!
2018 Leaf SV Pearl White with Tech and All Weather, Purchased New on 5/3/19

danrjones
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Location: Ridgecrest, CA

Re: My 2018 Leaf is not what I expected

Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:06 pm

By the way, I posted stats today for my 2018 in the battery thread. Our numbers are almost the same! My SOH is at 94.68 as of this am. And I have a lot less miles (1600) than you. I live in an oven.
2018 Leaf SV Pearl White with Tech and All Weather, Purchased New on 5/3/19

sthbeach
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Joined: Tue Aug 20, 2019 4:49 pm
Delivery Date: 16 Aug 2019
Leaf Number: 312576

Re: My 2018 Leaf is not what I expected

Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:07 pm

Yes, this is true, I believe I made a bad decision. I think my best bet is to give my wife my car since she does about 30kms less a day and she drives nicer than me. And then sell her 2017 Leaf SV. It only has 37,000kms and is in absolute mint condition and she is getting almost bang on what that car is capable of so maybe I won't take too bad of a hit on it.

danrjones
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Re: My 2018 Leaf is not what I expected

Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:12 pm

That's even a smarter idea. Happy wife too.
2018 Leaf SV Pearl White with Tech and All Weather, Purchased New on 5/3/19

sthbeach
Posts: 74
Joined: Tue Aug 20, 2019 4:49 pm
Delivery Date: 16 Aug 2019
Leaf Number: 312576

Re: My 2018 Leaf is not what I expected

Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:46 pm

It's just so disappointing.....Any car company should make it a point to educate new EV buyers on real world conditions, highway and city driving and hot/cold weather because it really is the single most important thing to any EV buyer! It's not like a gas car where people go read the sticker and it says 27/32mpg city/highway, buy it and then 6 months later realize that they are realistically getting 22/26.
Nobody is up in arms about it and selling their car because of it. As a matter of fact, most accept it pretty reasonably.
It's more of a situation like a guy goes and buys a $50k sportscar that states a 0-60 in 5 secs and yet after 100 tries he's doing 0-60 in no better than 6 secs......now that's a kick in the nuts! He bought it based on facts that its speed will be able to beat most stock cars on the road and yet he just got punked by an 18 year old driving a brand new Honda Civic SIR that mommy and daddy bought!
This is how I feel about my supposed 242 km range Leaf on my 160km commute! FML!!!

WetEV
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Location: Near Seattle, WA

Re: My 2018 Leaf is not what I expected

Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:52 pm

WetEV
#49
Most everything around here is wet during the rainy season. And the rainy season is long.
2012 Leaf SL Red (Totaled)
2014 Leaf SL Red
2019 eTron Blue

HerdingElectrons
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Joined: Sat Sep 08, 2018 3:20 pm
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Location: Central Coast, Ca

Re: My 2018 Leaf is not what I expected

Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:40 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:49 am
In my 2019, I have driven for many miles after hitting 1% on the dash and still not hit VLB? VLB is still miles from turtle.

FYI the dash NEVER shows LB or VLB, that indication is only shown on the center screen overlaid on the default navigation screen when you boot up the car.

And most annoyingly it only warns you upon a restart. Case in point I started a trip across town last week around 10-11% & had no warning; arrived with around 4% & had no warning... Then when I got back into the car and VLB was displayed on the center screen & that was it!!! Along with the nav voice asking me if I wanted to look for chargers which I declined.

Then I went home & got to 2% turned off the car & made dinner. Went back back out to see what would be displayed as a warning & got the same msg/warning at 4% & continued driving low speed near the house until the dash display went to 0% aka "---%" at which point LeafSpy showed 9.3% remaining...

Then I drove another 1/2 mile home & charged to avoid any further battery damage from such low SOC.
2018 SL Pearl White 4.2/3.7 Warm/Cold weather

09/18, 01K mi: AHr= 114.52 / SOH= 99.20 / HX= 099.70%
04/19, 10K mi: Ahr= 111.45 / SOH= 96.54 / HX= 113.82%
11/19, 20K mi: Ahr= 107.44 / SOH= 93.07 / HX= 109.96%

cwerdna
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Location: SF Bay Area, CA

Re: My 2018 Leaf is not what I expected

Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:57 pm

^^^
Out of curiosity, how many gids were you at in each of these states? I could care less about the % SoC Leaf Spy says.

It sounds like the behavior may have changed between gen 1 and 2. Gen 1 w/nav would most definitely give warnings on the dash and on the nav system (w/voice) at the same time when you hit LBW then VLBW. Those w/no nav (S trim) would only hear a beep and never voice. Also, on gen 1, IIRC, the GOM goes from flashing some value to --- miles at VLBW.

On 24 kWh Leafs, LBW sounds at about 49 gids and VLBW at 24 gids. The values are different for higher capacity Leafs.

I also have gone from 6% on the dash display to ---%. I never considered that as 0%. To me, it was it's somewhere below 6% but "all bets are off, so I'm not going to show you anything".

The video at https://www.edmunds.com/nissan/leaf/201 ... r-end.html at 1:15 has them hitting LBW. This is before Leaf had a % SoC display. That didn't arrive until model year '15.

'19 Bolt Premier
'13 Leaf SV w/premium package (owned)
'13 Leaf SV w/QC + LED & premium packages (lease over, car returned)

Please don't PM me with Leaf questions. Just post in the topic that seems most appropriate.

sthbeach
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Delivery Date: 16 Aug 2019
Leaf Number: 312576

Re: My 2018 Leaf is not what I expected

Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:12 pm

Quick update.
Just got home from work.
I decided to do the day with Pro Pilot Cruise enabled the whole drive.
I set it to 115kph (71.5mph)
Total trip: 153 kms (95 miles)
At times I was behind trucks and too lazy to switch lanes so I was travelling at 105 kph for probably about 10 minutes each way.

GOM:
17.1 kwh/100km = 5.85 kms per kw (3.6 miles)
17% battery remaining
38 kms remaining (23.6 miles)

LeafSpy:
GIDS = 24.8%
SOC = 25.8%
9.6 kw remaining


Average outside temperature today was 60-68 degrees.

SOH : 94.16
Ahr : 108.70
HX : 108.30

cwerdna
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Re: My 2018 Leaf is not what I expected

Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:22 pm

sthbeach wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:12 pm
GOM:
17.1 kwh/100km = 5.85 kms per kw (3.6 miles)
17% battery remaining
38 kms remaining (23.6 miles)

LeafSpy:
GIDS = 24.8%
SOC = 25.8%
9.6 kw remaining
Did you mean kWh in the bolded parts?

I wouldn't bother with whatever kWh Leaf Spy says you have. See viewtopic.php?p=562501#p562501 as to why.

The GOM value (38 km remaining or whatever) is pointless, unless your future driving is exactly like that of your recent driving before you powered down.

'19 Bolt Premier
'13 Leaf SV w/premium package (owned)
'13 Leaf SV w/QC + LED & premium packages (lease over, car returned)

Please don't PM me with Leaf questions. Just post in the topic that seems most appropriate.

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