johnlocke
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Wed Jan 01, 2020 8:52 pm

Jan update. 317 GID's 69.46 AH, SOH=87.39%, Hx=67.37%, 73508 total mi. 28579 mi on new battery. 19 DCFC and 549 l2 charges on the new battery. The battery is continuing to slowly degrade. In the cooler weather, I still lost a couple of GID's last month. I'm down about 13% from new. 19 months in, the old battery was down 17%, so the new battery is doing a bit better. The difference isn't a lot but it is enough that I expect to hit the 100K warranty limit well before the new battery would qualify for replacement. I expect to be down about 25% at 100K. At that point the car will have barely enough range to satisfy my daily use. The battery will be down 4 bars by about 125K miles. I need to start looking at my options. If Fenix ever actually produces a battery, I'll take a look at that. It's a hard sell though. VW has gotten off to bad start with ID3 software problems but I will still want to see the ID4. The ford Mustang EV just doesn't seem to excite me. A Tesla 3 or a Y would be a safe bet and the Cybertruck is an outside chance. Nothing else seems likely. The Nissan Leaf+ has enough range but I don't trust their battery technology or software expertise. GM is also someone I can't trust. Everybody else seems overpriced for what they offer. Even $50K seems like a lot to pay for a new car. If Tesla announces their "million mile" battery this spring, that would be the icing on the cake.
2016 SV, New battery at 45K mi.
2016 SV, New battery at 45K mi.
Jamul, CA
San Diego East County

johnlocke
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Fri Feb 07, 2020 10:17 pm

Feb update. 316 GID's 68.96 AH, SOH=86.76%, Hx=66.33%, 75049 total mi. 30120 mi on new battery. 20 DCFC and 579 l2 charges on the new battery. The battery is continuing to slowly degrade. In the cooler weather, I still lost a GID last month. I'm down about 13% from new. 20 months in, the old battery was down 21%, so the new battery is doing better. The difference is notable and I expect to hit the 100K warranty limit well before the new battery would qualify for replacement. I still expect to be down about 25% at 100K. I expect that as the weather warms up deterioration will accelerate again. I'm looking forward to Tesla's battery day announcements and the reveal of the ID4 at the Chicago Auto Show. Fenix power is still a no-show at this point.
2016 SV, New battery at 45K mi.
Jamul, CA
San Diego East County

johnlocke
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:34 pm

Mar update. 314 GID's 68.73 AH, SOH=86.47%, Hx=65.70%, 76636 total mi. 31707 mi on new battery. 20 DCFC and 610 l2 charges on the new battery. The battery is continuing to slowly degrade. Even in a cool wet Feb, I still lost 2 more GID's. I'm down about 13.5% from new. 21 months in, the old battery was down to 262 GID's, so the new battery is doing much better. The difference is notable and I expect to hit the 100K warranty limit well before the new battery would qualify for replacement. I'm still still expecting to be down about 25% at 100K. I expect that as the weather warms up deterioration will accelerate again. I'm looking forward to Tesla's battery day announcements. The ID3 is mired in software problems so the ID4 is looking iffy at this point although VW claims that it will ship in 2021. GM is talking big but most of what they're selling at this point is sizzle rather than steak.

On another note, is anyone still interested in my experience with battery deterioration? Should I continue to do these updates or let the thread die?
2016 SV, New battery at 45K mi.
Jamul, CA
San Diego East County

DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Sat Mar 07, 2020 10:11 am

What are your charging/driving habits?
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 14,342.8 mi, 93.16% SOH
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johnlocke
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:41 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 10:11 am
What are your charging/driving habits?
I drive 55 mi/day, 5 days a week plus usually 1 unscheduled 55 mi trip every week or two. Because of the unscheduled trip requirement and the fact that it's 10 miles to the nearest 7-11 or hardware store and 14 mi to the grocery store or restaurant, the car is put on the charger as soon as I get home. Not ideal but the best I can do given a somewhat deteriorated battery. I really need a 60 KWH battery instead of a 30 KWH for the kind of driving I do. I've still got a few more payments to go before this car is paid for and I need to get at least another year out of it.
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San Diego East County

DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:24 pm

johnlocke wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:41 pm
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 10:11 am
What are your charging/driving habits?
I drive 55 mi/day, 5 days a week plus usually 1 unscheduled 55 mi trip every week or two. Because of the unscheduled trip requirement and the fact that it's 10 miles to the nearest 7-11 or hardware store and 14 mi to the grocery store or restaurant, the car is put on the charger as soon as I get home. Not ideal but the best I can do given a somewhat deteriorated battery. I really need a 60 KWH battery instead of a 30 KWH for the kind of driving I do. I've still got a few more payments to go before this car is paid for and I need to get at least another year out of it.
Since there is no 60 kwh option, I will assume you have been reading the site and are referring to the 40 kwh packs. Yeah, that would have been a major difference.
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 14,342.8 mi, 93.16% SOH
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:28 pm

Since there is no 60 kwh option, I will assume you have been reading the site and are referring to the 40 kwh packs. Yeah, that would have been a major difference.
It seems to me that he's saying that he needs twice as much battery as he now has. That would be a 62kwh Leaf, not a 40.
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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Sun Mar 08, 2020 8:12 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:28 pm
Since there is no 60 kwh option, I will assume you have been reading the site and are referring to the 40 kwh packs. Yeah, that would have been a major difference.
It seems to me that he's saying that he needs twice as much battery as he now has. That would be a 62kwh Leaf, not a 40.
Perhaps. I assumed he heard that 40 kwh packs are now being used to warranty 30 kwh LEAFs.
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 14,342.8 mi, 93.16% SOH
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johnlocke
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:54 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:24 pm
johnlocke wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:41 pm
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 10:11 am
What are your charging/driving habits?
I drive 55 mi/day, 5 days a week plus usually 1 unscheduled 55 mi trip every week or two. Because of the unscheduled trip requirement and the fact that it's 10 miles to the nearest 7-11 or hardware store and 14 mi to the grocery store or restaurant, the car is put on the charger as soon as I get home. Not ideal but the best I can do given a somewhat deteriorated battery. I really need a 60 KWH battery instead of a 30 KWH for the kind of driving I do. I've still got a few more payments to go before this car is paid for and I need to get at least another year out of it.
Since there is no 60 kwh option, I will assume you have been reading the site and are referring to the 40 kwh packs. Yeah, that would have been a major difference.
No, I actually meant that I need a 60 KWH battery. A 40 would have been a significant improvement over the 30 but I didn't get that deal. If I could get a 40 KWH battery with TMS, that might do. Otherwise, sooner or later I'm back to charging every day. I know that the frequent charging and charging to 100% all the time is not good for the battery but I need the range. When I originally bought the car, I though that 100 mile range would be more than enough and that if I was down to an 80 mile range at 100,000 miles, I could live with that. I didn't anticipate needing to sometimes do 2 trips in a single day or how rapidly the battery would deteriorate. I suppose that I could locate a salvage 62 KWH battery and shoehorn it in but I don't think that's worth the effort. Far easier to find a used '19 or '20 model with the upgraded electronics.
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Jamul, CA
San Diego East County

johnlocke
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:31 pm

Apr update. 309 GID's 67.61 AH, SOH=85.06%, Hx=62.97%, 77856 total mi. 32927 mi on new battery. 20 DCFC and 635 l2 charges on the new battery. Battery took a big hit last month despite not driving much for the last couple of weeks. It still looks like it will last longer than the 100,000 mile warranty limit but it won't be very capable. I still I'm looking forward to Tesla's battery day announcements. The ID3 is mired in software problems so the ID4 is looking iffy at this point although VW claims that it will ship in 2021. GM is still talking big but most of what they're selling at this point is sizzle rather than steak. It seems more likely that I'll see the Cybertruck before either GM or Ford get their trucks out. The Model 3 or a Y looks like the best bet right now.
2016 SV, New battery at 45K mi.
Jamul, CA
San Diego East County

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