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While I don't disagree w/many of your points about Nissan, good luck w/your inferences about Tesla. I think you've drank the Kool Aid.
johnlocke said:
Tesla appears to be aiming at a 20 year service life for the 3 as opposed to Nissan's 8-10 year service life.
I've seen no evidence of the former. Tesla reliability is still not good: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/24/tesla-reliability-slips-to-third-worst-in-us-consumer-reports-says.html. Model X is still a reliability disaster, ending up every year in the bottom 10 of reliability where CR has data: https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/10-least-reliable-cars/. See https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=18016&p=541134#p541134.
I've pointed to 3 folks on their 7th+ drive unit on the Model S at https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=18016&p=541134&hilit=7th+drive+unit#p541134.
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/shoddy-quality-and-poor-qc-and-missing-parts.117356/page-5#post-3516347 has over a dozen Model 3 drive unit failures I'd compiled on/off by end of March 2019. I don't browse TMC that much any longer but I know there have been more Model 3 DU failures posted since then.
I started https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/automotive-reliability-and-durability-testing.56176/ and just hear crickets. Seems like every single vehicle model they've produced is a late rush job w/insufficient validation or changes made that aren't validated properly.
I suspect that many (most?) Model 3 will become illogical or uneconomical to repair and keep running well before the 20 year mark. Just look at some of the example I cited already with Model S at https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=569077#p569077 once the 4 year/50K mile warranty basic is over.
johnlocke said:
Tesla will at least make an effort if there's a problem and they've already committed to battery repairs as an option .
There's a difference in philosophy here....
Tesla wants lots of used Tesla cars still running around in 10-15 years replacing those old ICE clunkers. I believe that Tesla will have easy parts availability for the small stuff (Amazon maybe?) and service centers for battery or motor replacement. I think Elon Musk really wants to to save the world and this is just the start.
Earlier in the year way before what I'm posting below even existed, I was talking to my auto insurance agent over the phone and he claimed that some folks w/older Model S have had trouble getting parts (for accident repairs). I didn't even ask him about this. He brought it up. He said in some cases, parts had to be specially manufactured. (I didn't ask him for details as I already had ruled out the 3 and had my Bolt for a few months.)
I'd seen this story, possibly aired on CNBC: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/24/tesla-roadster-repairs-medlock-sons-in-seattle.html. Tesla already doesn't seem to support their 2008 to 2012-produced Roadster particularly well at this point.
Roadster drivers may be some of the earliest supporters of Tesla, but many feel neglected by Elon Musk’s car company. Unlike owners of the newer Model S, X or 3, they can’t book a service appointment through the Tesla app, and the carmaker doesn’t manufacture spare parts for their vehicles even though they’re only about 11 years old.
Do watch the video...
I don't blame for you being jaded about Nissan as some of their behavior/attitude re: EVs is vexing but "the grass is greener on the other side" isn't always true and I think you've been misled. Tesla and Elon are all about hype.