GerryAZ said:
Prius: $0.11 per mile.
LEAF: $0.0936 per mile.
Updated numbers, thanks for all your help! How I got them below:
Leaf: $0.1079 Prius: $0.1186 SUV: $0.2436
My personal numbers: Power 0.04 (some mobile charging and some off peak in winter maybe?), battery 1/3 price as I want to recycle the cells into my solar and I will do the replacement:
My Leaf: $0.0339
The first value should be $0.052 / mile. Or 5 cents per mile. – Correct, typo, thx
This doesn't include oil changes, spark plugs, air filters and all the other maintenance differences required for an ICE vs an EV.
$50 @ 5000 miles: $0.01
Spark plugs:
$170 @ 30000 miles = $0.005
Air filter – Air compressor cleaned @ my place
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Realistically, a Prius will not get 57 mi/gal unless driven very conservatively. Prius: $4.00 per gallon and 40 mi/gal yields $0.10 per mile.
I have over 60,000 miles with 12 capacity bars still showing so the traction battery should last at least 150,000 miles before the range drops below my daily driving needs. – Agreed, and I will be one to drive it kindly and safely. Although I have to admit, as it gets older, I have more cash and more time on my hands I may have multiple leaf vehicles, do work on them and make one into an extreme hobby toy. I can dream of making it into a 2 seater, adding a significantly larger battery and doing the dala inverter upgrade:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGBA8VPWwIg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR4CN2_rRh4
Certainly more appropriate for another thread, but a quick search turned up no results
The cost of ICE pollution and fossil consumption is in the range of $6 a gallon, paid for in the cost of healthcare and through general taxation.
No question the health side effects for world can be better, especially if we cycle the lithium into other purposes after it comes out of our leaf cars. Sticking to finances on this thread.
I spent at least $5k in maintenance for every ICE car I ever owned...and I've spent less than $500 on my Leaf (Note: tires are not included as they are a constant for any vehicle).
- As soon as you add a exhaust system, starter system, transmission, alternator, fuel pump, etc, the costs get real as each system is really taxed on ICE. Let’s add some cost to that. $5 may be high for a smaller car, I agreed on mid size and SUV. Let’s go with $2,500 at 100k miles, surely at 200k you’re going to increase the number for ICE, that gets you closer to your $5k
$2,500 @ 100,000 = $0.025
Now you can argue battery replacement costs (which are significant), but…
How about car batteries? They are made so cheap in ICE and are just tortured with current draw. For EV they are still used, but we can much more safely go with AGM or even Lithium as the current draws are much less drastic, maybe even DIY
. Of course if you’re going to have a lithium battery last that long we should consider having a heater on it for when it gets really cold. Another DIY project for me
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https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?t=11999 - a fun thread to read, good jokes, pretty long, I stopped reading at 2017.
This thread lists someone using an $845 battery in 2013, today off the shelf replacements are under $129
Adding all this information to my spreadsheet, leaving $0.15 for KW, not everyone can afford solar, some times you have to charge on peak, sometimes off peak, sometimes quick charging at terrible rates, I got:
Leaf: $0.1079 Prius: $0.1186 SUV: $0.2436
My personal numbers: Power 0.04 (some mobile charging and some off peak in winter maybe?), battery 1/3 price as I want to recycle the cells into my solar and I will do the replacement:
Leaf: $0.0339
Now we’re talking!! Fantastic work everyone, thank again for your help!
BTW, anyone else know of any other EV vehicle that allows for a Leaf spy type program, this is required for it to be my hobby, and low insurance rates like the older leaf?