Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:49 pmThat right there is the problem! Just like your life has been a series of trade-offs, so are theirs.GRA wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:26 pm
You've got it bass-ackwards - I'm ready for BEVs, but BEVs and their infrastructure aren't ready for me, although they're finally getting close. Since many of my friends like to visit similar areas and do similar things, few of us are able to make the switch, even though we're all environmentalists who'd love to be able to wave good-bye to fossil-fuels. So, we make other choices to limit our energy/resource use in the meantime. One of my friends once wrote that he wanted to live a low-production, low-consumption, low-waste lifestyle very much under his own direction. I feel much the same. He's been a winter backcountry Ranger/hutmaster in Yosemite for 45 years now and is now in his mid-70s, skiing 9 miles each way to/from the trailhead to the hut, plus skiing or skating while there almost every day of the winter (Of course, there's no charging at the trailhead, although I've been trying to get some there for several years). In short, we're not members of the "shop for happiness" brigade.
Having gotten quite a few people to seriously reduce or eliminate their fossil-fuel use in their homes (see my sig), I suspect I'm a better advocate of same than you are, but that's not important. What is important is that people have to be willing to get off fossil-fuels, and you have to provide them with a non-fossil fuel option that is an improvement by their standards, not yours. As most of them are satisfied with the capabilities of their fossil-fueled ICEs and are unwilling to give those capabilities up, you have to provide them with a better option. Telling them they have to make more stops for longer in a limited number of places; choose where they can go and stay based on this or that on-line map/website and whether or not their car is compatible with this type of charger; monitor and calculate energy use and learn to make allowances for different conditions and degradation, are things that the average member of the general public can't be bothered to do. Their attitude is "Why should I - who needs the hassle"?
Whose life isn't a series of trade-offs - yours? Get real.
Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:49 pmb ut neither of you have understood what trade-offs you've made in order to continue using fossil-fuels, because you believe BEV's drawbacks outweigh their benefits. You think that minimizing gasoline consumption (as opposed to eliminating it) legitimizes your view that BEV's aren't good enough yet to replace your current vehicle. And you impress upon your friends that very viewpoint despite the possibility that they very well benefit more from a BEV despite the drawbacks that you constantly harp about. Copper shots indeed.
Oh, we understand the trade-offs, and have chosen to make them. I will tell my friends and casual acquaintances who are interested both the benefits and drawbacks of BEVs for their situation, possible compromises they could make if they wish, and so on. In short, i'll give them every piece of relevant info pro and con, but ultimately it's up to them to decide if that makes sense for them.
Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:49 pmFor every 4 people I talk to about switching to BEV's (because their lifestyle would actually benefit from it), only 1 are actually convinced enough to make the change. And 100% of the time, they're always sorry for NOT having done so sooner! Because people like you fill them with doubts about what kind of life changes they'd have to make to accommodate living with a BEV.
I'm interested in providing full information, not a one-sided view where I've stuck my thumb on the scale. I have one friend who could certainly use a BEV in his family as one of their three cars, and I've informed him of the advantages but he's not interested, nor are many others. He's got a 4Runner with full steel brush guards front and rear, but he's only once ever put the car into 4WD, and that was to get out of a muddy parking lot. I once asked him why he had those heavy, expensive guards when he would never use them. He said "Because they look cool". His priorities are more representative of the general public's than are the attitudes of most of the people who are members here.