rsbrax
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CCS is a protocol, correct? The protocol is not being phased out for CCS. The plug configuration is different between NACS (Tesla) and CCS.
Just trying to establish some clarification...
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Just trying to establish some clarification...
BillAinCT
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There are millions of CCS DCFC cars on the road. The CCS charger connection isn't going anywhere. My guess is a cheap NACS to CCS adapter is probably going to be needed for those cars that are on the road when NACS chargers without CCS capability are in place.
Yodrak
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I don't think Tesla is likely to "restrict to Tesla's only", I think Tesla will be happy to take anyone's money, and it's the ability to get the money that's the issue. The car itself, not the driver of the car, needs to be able to tell Tesla via the NACS connection who to bill for a charge. Tesla superchargers do not have any payment devices that take credit card swipes or fob taps.
MikeinPA
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Almost certainly, but just today I wondered if the NACS adapter itself could talk to the SC rather than having to retrofit the vehicle. Or it could be via an app on a phone... We will see how the Ford adapter works it soon.
dgpcolorado
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Just a clarification: the car tells the Supercharger through the NACS connection that it is authorized to use it. The billing happens through the car. In the case of Tesla cars, the billing happens when the car connects to Tesla computers via the cell network. Non Tesla cars currently use a phone app for authorizing the numbered Supercharger stall to activate and for billing.
There are a small number of Supercharger Stations that are already available to any CCS1 car via "Magic Docks." It happens that two of them are near my home: Montrose CO and Moab UT, so I've seen them. A neighbor with a CCS1 BMW tried out the Magic Dock in Montrose successfully. It requires a phone app to release the CCS1 plug and for payment.
Cars, such as Ford or GM, using NACS to CCS1 adapters will likely arrange payment for Supercharging through the car's connection to the company network, much as Tesla cars do now. They will only be allowed to use some, but not all, of the existing Supercharger Stations. Older Version 2 Supercharger Stations do not use a CCS1 communication protocol (that original Tesla communication was similar to Chademo). I presume that some high use Version 3 Supercharger Stations will also be limited to Tesla cars only to prevent overcrowding, since many CCS1 cars have to block two stalls to get the short cable to reach the charge port.
The initial reports suggested that Ford and GM cars would have access to about 11,000 or 12,000 stalls. However, the number of Supercharger Stations has grown considerably since then, so the actual number figures to be greater.
Most of those Supercharger Stations open to CCS1 cars will be Version 3, which use the CCS1 communication protocol and charge at 250 kW. However, Tesla is deploying Version 4 Superchargers which have longer cables and may eventually have the ability to accommodate 800V cars as well as have credit card readers. Several V4 Stations have opened but are currently limited to V3 charging levels.
FWIW.
^ A Magic Dock Supercharger stall in Montrose CO. It is open to any CCS1 car with a phone app. The bollards and signs between stalls were removed to allow CCS cars to nudge closer to help the short cable to reach.
DougWantsALeaf
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coulomb
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I think the journalist relied heavily on a press release from the manufacturer. Examples include 120kW as "powerful" and CHAdeMO as a "leading" standard. In Japan, that's probably true, but EN+ appears to be a Chinese company, or at least originating in China.
henrydehoja
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Looks like Chinese company EN Plus (Shenzhen EN Plus Tech Co., Ltd) got CHAdeMO certification to sell its DC charger in Japan.
Good for them.
DougWantsALeaf
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Is that not the same adapter that Dala in Norway and The Hippie Leaf driver featured in their videos going on about six months now? Just curious about possible differences.
DougWantsALeaf
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Hoping this one comes with English support.(I guess or french)
BillAinCT
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It's not shipping for 4 weeks. It does claim they manufacture it. Note that "Tested and compliant with UL2252's outline" doesn't mean it was sent off, tested and certified by any lab. Maybe it will happen because that does take time. They should offer some quantity at 25-50% off to get it in use and to get reviews written. And seriously, how much beta testing has been done? And per your other post, will there be field updates or a simple return for upgrade program?
Toby
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Personally, I find that price exorbitant. For $200, maybe. For $1365, not a chance.
BillAinCT
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I look at it as the dealer offered $1000 (USD) for a CCS DC charge option. I would have taken it knowing CHAdeMO was obsolete, or soon to be.
Jerther
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Did I get this right? A Nissan dealer offered you a CCS conversion for a LEAF?
You can’t even buy the needed components for $200. The adapter needs to translate CCS1 and ChaDeMo protocols. If it were just a socket adapter for 70kW of 400VDC it would probably need to cost $400-$500 to make it worth developing.
No. He’s saying that if it were an option or accessory or for the car at time of purchase, he wouldn’t object to it costing $1000. Of course, the dealer would charge $2000 for it. As I recall, the MSRP for Nissan’s home charger was $1300. Comparable chargers are $300 now.
Chad E. Mo
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I'd like to see the sellers showing videos of it working with DCFC chargers as they are verified. Even links to others' videos using their product.
I don't mind the price if it works reliably with range of systems, and the seller backs up its warrantee.
I don't mind the price if it works reliably with range of systems, and the seller backs up its warrantee.
The photos I saw looked identical to the unit being tested by nomadic hippie. Plus the company selling them in Canada doesn’t have a factory. There is zero chance they designed and manufactured the adapters. The “had them manufactured” which is why they got their own logo put on the side. So that means that they will need to wait until they hear back from China to give customers any answers about firmware updates and compatibility problems.
Apparently the problem is getting Visas for their engineers to come to the US to do that work. My understanding is that the adapters work with some but not all charging networks and hardware in North America (CCS1). They are sending firmware updates as they identify what quirks of the different charging hardware is causing incompatibility. Follow nomadic hippie for updates. Dala is using the CCS2 adapter which was released first and which probably got more hands-on testing in Europe by the manufacturer before release.
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