cwerdna said:
drees said:
the Prius has other downsides (noisy, jerky power delivery, pollutes like crazy).
Noisy, yes. Jerky power delivery... not really. Pollutes like crazy? No.
Uh, yeah, compared to the LEAF or any other EV:
Jerky power delivery: the Prius lurches off the line with an awful delay while you wait for the engine to turn over, the engine takes forever to spin up into it's peak power bank when you punch the accelerator even after it's running, and occasionally shudders when the engine shuts off as the car makes sure the engine is in the optimum position for restart.
Pollutes like crazy: Every time I start the thing up and I'm standing outside, the thing stinks nearly as bad as a 2-stroke lawn mower. Not to mention has at least double the CO2 emissions per mile of the LEAF on CA grid power never mind the solar panels on my roof.
But hey - maybe if you actually owned an EV instead of hanging out on all the EV forums you'd realize that.
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The Prius is really that bad to drive in comparison. As long as the range works for you, you never want to go back to driving a Prius after driving an EV.
So yeah - to avoid both of those issues I'll happily pay more than what it costs to fuel the Prius (about $0.09/mi) if it lets me drive the LEAF. Let's say I want to drive 100 miles - 60 miles on home EV juice and 40 miles on QC juice. Prius would cost about $9 in gas to drive 100 miles. Home EV juice costs me about $0.14 / kWh and I get about 3.5 mi/kWh from the wall, so 60 miles would cost me $2.40 leaving me $6.60 to pay for QC before I get to the point where driving the Prius is cheaper.
A $5 session fee would work out great in this scenario and even up to $7-8 / session would not be much different than driving the Prius.
And comparing to the Prius is a worst case scenario - say your other car only gets 35 mpg and uses 30% more fuel - then that 100 mi would cost about $12 in gas leaving me nearly $10 to pay for QC before it gets to the point where driving the econobox is cheaper. Assuming 40 miles, the QC incremental cost is $0.25 / mi or 3x the cost of driving the Prius and nearly 10x the cost of charging at home - but you can see that it's still worth it!
If charging fees gets us closer to the point where these companies will finally be able to start generating some revenue and accelerate the deployment of charging infrastructure which will enable more EVs to hit the roads and make public charging easier when you really do need it - yeah - I'm going to pay and I'll happily do it - even if the incremental costs are significantly more than driving the Prius. Now if only they'd install a few of these stations in spots where I can actually use them more often than once a month...