AndyH
Well-known member
Yup...screwed that up, didn't I?
Thank you for your interest in ClipperCreek products.
First, I should correct a few data points you received from the other EVSE OEM.
1) The Federal tax credit goes to whomever installs the EVSE. The property owner usually.
- Any EVSE is capable of getting this tax credit. The credit is for the installation of a system.
2) Nissan is able to provide a free EVSE to some customers in targeted market areas.
- See recent announcements by Ecotality and Coulomb.
- In other markets Nissan is picking suppliers to work with and AV was the first selected.
ClipperCreek does and has been shipping UL Listed Level II EVSEs for months. We have over 2500 units installed since 2009. The price of our CS-40 model which has been tested with the Leaf retails for $3,000.
I have attached a link to our broch... Here's a link to 'ClipperCreek CS EVSE.pdf'
If I can assist you further please let me know.
Regards,
Michael Paritee
Business Operations Manager
ClipperCreek Inc
609.902.0122
[email protected]
Would you happen to have an IRS form number handy? I'd like to check into the requirement for the EV and EVSE to be purchased the same tax year. I have a small suspicion that even as a very early "reserver", chances are good I won't have a Leaf under the tree in late December.EVDRIVER said:..The IRS docs are available online- nothing stipulates an IRS approved installer as expected..
DeaneG said:Would you happen to have an IRS form number handy? I'd like to check into the requirement for the EV and EVSE to be purchased the same tax year. I have a small suspicion that even as a very early "reserver", chances are good I won't have a Leaf under the tree in late December.EVDRIVER said:..The IRS docs are available online- nothing stipulates an IRS approved installer as expected..
8834 for the car. PDF file: http://www.irs.ustreas.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f8834.pdfDeaneG said:Would you happen to have an IRS form number handy? I'd like to check into the requirement for the EV and EVSE to be purchased the same tax year. I have a small suspicion that even as a very early "reserver", chances are good I won't have a Leaf under the tree in late December.EVDRIVER said:..The IRS docs are available online- nothing stipulates an IRS approved installer as expected..
DeaneG said:Thanks a bunch. Guess it's on off day for me & Google.
I read 8834 and 8911 and did not see anything about the EVSE's installation ("placed in service") needing to be in the same tax year as the EV itself. Looks to me like the two credits are completely separate issues.
DeaneG said:chances are good I won't have a Leaf under the tree in late December.
pgrovetom said:Yes in my county, the homeowner is allowed to do their own wiring subject to final inspection. I had started this thread because the actual cost listed in the San Diego and Tennessee infrastructure documents for EVSE is $780. That price is inline with a rough cost analysis of the EVSE but I was told by AV that only they could install it. No other EVSE supplier, Ecototality, Coulumb, etc. has responded to my questions of self install. I did call my county building department and they affirmed I could do my own wiring and my description of the new 40A breaker, EMT conduit and #8AWG THHN wire was said to be fine for the 32A service. They said a disconnect was not required if I could see my panel which I can.
I'm just trying to determine if any of the EVSE suppliers will allow me to wire the EVSE? The reason is the infrastructure document has a cost analysis of the Level 2 EVSE ( the Level 1 is about the same) where the total cost of material and labor and permit comes to $2272. I purchased the EMT conduit, the THHN wire and 40A breaker for about $75 at Home Depot. I installed it in 2 hours to the location of the EVSE. I left the wiring loose awaiting my assessment. According to the San Diego Infrastructure at $2272 and Nissan $2200 estimate, if I could buy the EVSE at $780, my cost would be the $780+$75+ permit cost. That saves about $1400. In any other case like a 240V stove top, I could buy the stove top and install it plus permit. I just hate to spend $2200 even if the tax credit will pay half. If I install it at $900, then it will cost me $450 after credit. It just seems this EVSE situation is not being treated like any other 240V appliance and its not fair to pay for the excessive installation nor is it fair to have the taxpayers pick up half of a gouged price.
I'm a big proponent of EVs and Solar ( I installed a 12.6KW Solar PV myself) and would hate to see either the Feds or buyers freak out because they are being charged more than is reasonable. Some seem to believe having the Feds pick up 1/2 with the credit is ok, but I don't and I've already talked to people who are upset by the charging chord costing almost 10% of an entire car, when the price is about twice what it should be. This could slow down the EV rollout if this becomes a big issue and I for one, don't want to see that. I know some older people who were VERY excited about the Leaf until they heard about the $2200 ( or more) just to charger it. I would hate to see people back out because of something that could cost $1000 or less.
So I would just like this EVSE treated like any other 240V appliance where I as a homeowner can pull my own permit, buy the EVSE and install it. Maybe it will ultimately be like that but both Nissan and AV were very clear I couldn't. I know its a bit over-discussed but until I pay my $100 for my assessment, I won't really know as Nissan and AV, for now seem stuck.
Not true...I guess you forgot about the EV Project? A lot of us will be able to receive a FREE charging station.Bicster said:Right now, there are none. AV is the only game in town.
Not true...I guess you forgot about the EV Project? A lot of us will be able to receive a FREE charging station.
pgrovetom said:By the way, the Level 1 EVSE doesn't have an inexpensive EVSE and also requires a dedicated new circuit. So even if you fall back on the 115V Level 1 EVSE, you still need a a newly installed dedicated 20A circuit installed just for the EVSE but it does just plug into a standard outlet. That installation won't be much cheaper. The only savings is the EVSE is a little simpler and it can be wired with a 20A breaker and Romex but from a labor point of view, that will still take some time from an electrician. It's not free.
pgrovetom said:By the way, the Level 1 EVSE doesn't have an inexpensive EVSE and also requires a dedicated new circuit. So even if you fall back on the 115V Level 1 EVSE, you still need a a newly installed dedicated 20A circuit installed just for the EVSE but it does just plug into a standard outlet. That installation won't be much cheaper. The only savings is the EVSE is a little simpler and it can be wired with a 20A breaker and Romex but from a labor point of view, that will still take some time from an electrician. It's not free.
Can you say more about this? My panel is maxed out, but my meter with main line switch is only a couple of feet from where I want the EVSE, and my solar system also ties in there. I am hoping I can install a sub panel connected behind the main line switch, either in parallel with the main panel or feeding through to it. Taking my solar system into account I am nowhere close to being maxed out at the meter.pgrovetom said:I looked at the NEC rules for sub panel loading and if anyone needs to upgrade their panel, this could be expensive.
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