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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:15 pm

dgpcolorado wrote:
SageBrush wrote:If I didn't already have my car I would be salivating over 310 mile, AWD, 4.4 Sec (0-60) for $48k before eligible tax credits.
But then you wouldn't have your silver "unicorn" 3!
Quite true, but the Pearl White is sweeeet
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:19 am

golfcart wrote:My Leaf lease will be up in 2.5 years at which point I'll either buy the Leaf, get a used Leaf+, or my hope is that the used dual motor Model3 get down under $30k by then... at which point I could probably justify buying one to my wife. My previous car, before the 2 Leaf, was a heavily modified 2002 WRX wagon and I really miss the performance.
I had a lightly modified 2003 WRX wagon before my LEAF as well. The Model 3 LR RWD is a far, far better car than the WRX. Though the sticker price is about twice as much, accounting for inflation the WRX costs about the same as the Model 3 SR+ RWD, but performs slightly better and is far more efficient.

Part of me wishes for the Performance as well now that the price has come down slightly, but the rational part of me drove a LEAF for quite a while as well and knows that any Model 3 is already more than enough performance.

The Model 3 really combines characteristics of both the LEAF and WRX into one and with a much better overall experience - smoother, more efficient, faster, far better looking than either and more. Then toss in OTA updates, Autopilot, Supercharging...

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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:43 am

DaveEV wrote: I had a lightly modified 2003 WRX wagon before my LEAF as well. The Model 3 LR RWD is a far, far better car than the WRX. Though the sticker price is about twice as much, accounting for inflation the WRX costs about the same as the Model 3 SR+ RWD, but performs slightly better and is far more efficient.

Part of me wishes for the Performance as well now that the price has come down slightly, but the rational part of me drove a LEAF for quite a while as well and knows that any Model 3 is already more than enough performance.

The Model 3 really combines characteristics of both the LEAF and WRX into one and with a much better overall experience - smoother, more efficient, faster, far better looking than either and more. Then toss in OTA updates, Autopilot, Supercharging...
I guess looks are subjective, I loved the way the bugeye wagon looked and it had the best seats/seating position of any car I have even driven for someone with T-rex proportions like myself. I think the Model 3 is OK looking but not great. I actually like the looks of the 2018+ Leaf more than the Model 3 but I am partial to hatchbacks.

My coworker has the performance Model 3 with full autopilot and I agree that the acceleration is ridiculous, instantaneous, and smooth. I also do really appreciate the OTA updates and charging network (though I do 98% if my charging at home and my wife has a PHEV for road trips). I have no rational need for that kind of acceleration but sometimes you just want something. My kid will be in public schools by the time my lease is up so I am sure the car payment on a used DM will be less than daycare is currently... now I just have to convince the wife. :D
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:53 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:56 pm
15k a month is a good clip. They are certainly everywhere in Chicago.

How are lines at supercharing stations? I heard some of them are starting to fill up.
Sorry for the latest response...returned recently from my annual long distance trip up north.

I can report that on the afternoon of July 3rd at the Glen Allen Supercharger on I-95 that there was no problem with crowding at the Supercharger. Did not have to share power with anyone. Granted, it's not California, but it was I-95 between Richmond and Washington the day before July 4th.

The Moosic, PA Supercharger was the busiest one I came upon on my trip (kind of a weird place, but this one has some really nice amenities, so hence it's popularity I guess). At most, 6 of 8 stalls were taken, but most of the time it was between 3-5 in use.

The return trip absolutely blew my mind, by the way. It was 813 miles from start to finish. 12 hours and 56 minutes of actual drive time (was a bit longer than normal because a tree had fallen across the road on VA-6 and I had to turn around and take a somewhat long and slow detour). I made the entire trip with TWO stops. First stop in the aforementioned Moosic, PA and second one in Mt. Jackson, VA. I had lunch at the first stop and dinner at the second, so they were longer than normal stops. Had I stopped 3 times, I probably would have been able to get by with about 70 minutes of total charging time. At the lunch stop, the restaurant I went to had a broken soda machine and out of order men's room, so I went next door to Panera to use the facilities and grab a soda, so the first stop was 46 minutes. The second stop was 42 minutes. 88 minutes total. Total trip time was 14.5 hours, which is 30-45 minutes better than it normally takes my wife and I on this trip in a gas car. Conclusion: it's not the car that's the limiting factor.

One final comment: using abetterrouteplanner.com and the in-car trip energy consumption screen, both predicted arrival SOC % with remarkable accuracy (to within 2%, which is what, about 6 miles?) So I had absolutely no range anxiety for the last leg, despite the fact that there is no charging whatsoever on that last 210 mile leg. Well, there is a destination charger about 120 miles away that I could have used if I had been feeling nervous, but no, when it said I would arrive with 12% SOC, I trusted it, and arrived with 10% (32 miles). Absolutely beautiful (if not long) trip!
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:11 pm

Assume your 3 is a Long Range version?

How much does Tesla charge for power out of curiosity?
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:30 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:11 pm
How much does Tesla charge for power out of curiosity?
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It varies by state
https://www.tesla.com/support/supercharging#v3

But is always much cheaper than what you pay for DCFC at e.g. EA if the tariffs are by the minute because the charging is much faster.
If the charging session is reasonably optimized a Model 3 LR collects about 2.5 kWh a minute, or about 10 cents a kWh
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:49 pm

At .10/kWh Tesla is selling the power close to cost. The station maintenance is a loss.

I believe in next 1-2 years they will sell the network for cash infusion. Maybe keep a couple stations to honor the free supercharging.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:29 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:11 pm
Assume your 3 is a Long Range version?

How much does Tesla charge for power out of curiosity?
Yes, long range RWD for me.

The entire trip altogether was about $59 in Supercharging. This was for 1914 miles total trip, but I did start out with a 100% charge, end with 10%, and charged a few times (non-Supercharger) en route, including filling up to 100% at a hotel the night before the return trip.

New York State is about twice as expensive as other states (which is another reason I opted to try to make it to Moosic, PA on the first leg of the return trip as opposed to stopping in Binghamton, NY.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:32 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:49 pm
At .10/kWh Tesla is selling the power close to cost. The station maintenance is a loss.
Cheapest advertising imaginable.

I expect the entire EA network to be bought by Tesla for pennies on the dollar shortly after the consent decree ends.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:02 pm

SageBrush wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:32 pm
DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:49 pm
At .10/kWh Tesla is selling the power close to cost. The station maintenance is a loss.
Cheapest advertising imaginable.

I expect the entire EA network to be bought by Tesla for pennies on the dollar shortly after the consent decree ends.
Tesla trolling, and the stock just dropped a bunch. 228.82 -36.06 (-13.61%)
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