DaveinOlyWA
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Re: The 40KWH Battery Topic

Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:12 am

SageBrush wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:00 am
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:33 am
In either case, it is hardly inconvenient.
To you. Or to me. Both of us look at the SoC gauge every time we park at home.

However, the country is stuffed with people who only add fuel to their cars when the car beeps and flashes an "ADD GAS" alert. These people have no clue about the status of their fuel tank (or battery SoC, as the case may be) at any other time and they want to keep it that way. Moreover, realize that a sizable fraction of EV drivers are like this, AND are driving an EV in no small part either to save money or because of a pushy spouse. Accommodating EV idiosyncrasies is not part of their daily agenda.

As jmurtagh so cheerfully noted, he was lucky to convince his wife to plug in daily. The rest was on him and the car. In case you are wondering, no particular perceptiveness on my part. But my wife does have a similar outlook and fuse.
Your gasser analogy is spot on and yeah, many EVers aren't even aware they need to change. It is beyond me how they can equate 30 seconds of daily attention to their EV's status as being inconvenient compared to a weekly trip to a gas station?

This is the reason I took a financial hit to upgrade to the Plus. The 40 had "workable" range but the plus pack being so large meant being very specific with charging needs was simply not needed. I am ok with an SOC target between 45 and 60%. That isn't like hitting the broad side of a barn; its more like hitting air. :lol:

Just a quick comment on cars and partners; Before my LEAF days, we were a two Prius family and I tracked mileage, cost, etc. Well she was unable to reset the trip meters, save gas receipts, etc.... so I did all the refueling. We would simply switch cars for the day. THREE times she ran out of gas because it wasn't her job to put gas in the tank.

When I suggested it would be beneficial to let me know when the bar started to blink. Prius had 10 pips and just like the LEAF GOM, the last one would start to blink with roughly 60-80 miles left. With a 42 mile RT commute at the time, this should have been plenty of time for her since we were living together at the time...

She was not appreciative of my suggestion...
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 16,686 mi, 91.51% SOH
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Re: The 40KWH Battery Topic

Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:20 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:12 am

Just a quick comment on cars and partners; Before my LEAF days, we were a two Prius family and I tracked mileage, cost, etc. Well she was unable to reset the trip meters, save gas receipts, etc.... so I did all the refueling. We would simply switch cars for the day. THREE times she ran out of gas because it wasn't her job to put gas in the tank.

When I suggested it would be beneficial to let me know when the bar started to blink. Prius had 10 pips and just like the LEAF GOM, the last one would start to blink with roughly 60-80 miles left. With a 42 mile RT commute at the time, this should have been plenty of time for her since we were living together at the time...

She was not appreciative of my suggestion...
Great story :lol:

My first impulse was to read your post to my wife, but my survival instincts have kicked in.
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DougWantsALeaf
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Re: The 40KWH Battery Topic

Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:22 pm

Same here. I am responsible to keep the car at what ever SoC I want so long as she never has to think about charging. I wouldn't dare suggest she mess with a timer daily, etc. If I ever go back to international travel, I will have to accept that she is going to just charge the car to 100% like we did with the old Leaf, though as we have so much range now (comparatively), that would be more of a weekly than a nightly event.

I saw a couple more facebookers cross 100k miles in their 40 Leafs, with full bars. While the relatively quick drop to low 90s SoH is disheartening for some, the overall chemistry does appear to be holding up.
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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: The 40KWH Battery Topic

Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:35 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:22 pm
Same here. I am responsible to keep the car at what ever SoC I want so long as she never has to think about charging. I wouldn't dare suggest she mess with a timer daily, etc. If I ever go back to international travel, I will have to accept that she is going to just charge the car to 100% like we did with the old Leaf, though as we have so much range now (comparatively), that would be more of a weekly than a nightly event.

I saw a couple more facebookers cross 100k miles in their 40 Leafs, with full bars. While the relatively quick drop to low 90s SoH is disheartening for some, the overall chemistry does appear to be holding up.
Definitely encouraging but the fact that anyone is crossing 100K miles in less than 3 years should tell us that won't be the norm for the rest of us. Time is a factor too and no amount of TMS will fix that.

That said; people with 50,000 miles (which is quite doable for many of us) also have great results after the initial 7-10% loss.
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 16,686 mi, 91.51% SOH
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Re: The 40KWH Battery Topic

Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:59 pm

During development testing at Nissan’s Stanfield Az proving grounds, the 2nd generation batteries were driven 24/7 for hundreds of thousands of miles.
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Re: The 40KWH Battery Topic

Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:01 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:22 pm
I will have to accept that she is going to just charge the car to 100% like we did with the old Leaf
Read jmurtagh's solution

It is most excellent
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DougWantsALeaf
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Re: The 40KWH Battery Topic

Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:47 pm

Yes, I did like that.


Assume, everyone has seen this. The 40kWh Leaf does very well, only lead by the mini Cooper. SR+ isn't bad either. If you included the crazy discounts the Leaf 40 would likely lead.


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Re: The 40KWH Battery Topic

Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:47 pm

SageBrush wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:45 am
Learjet wrote:
Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:56 pm
You get the point...works for me.
Heh.

There would be revolution in the air if my wife had to fiddle with the charge timer settings after every drive. Even I would tire of that requirement pretty darned quick.
too funny...no way my wife would do that also....good thing this in my car. :)
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Re: The 40KWH Battery Topic

Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:13 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:12 am
It is beyond me how they can equate 30 seconds of daily attention to their EV's status as being inconvenient compared to a weekly trip to a gas station?
If my wife is someone to go by, it is not a question of time, it is a question of habit -- or in this case, the lack thereof. She simply refuses (with an attitude ,mind you) to be forced to remember to think about the SoC gauge when she arrives home.

I mean ... REALLY ... who wears the pants in the family ? The wife, or the needy waxed tin can ?!?

Men have an easier time getting used to the change in behavior because we are naturally subservient.
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Bought Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/18: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
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09/20: 54.3 Ahr; 38k miles
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DougWantsALeaf
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Re: The 40KWH Battery Topic

Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:29 pm

Pretty cool single module change on a 40 Leaf used as a cab with 120k miles. 87 SoH, though some buckling in the back. 4 Daily DC charges will do that over 3 years.

https://youtu.be/-ySOspbt0BM
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