What's the point of running the climate control? It will not cool the battery.salyavin said:Thanks, regarding shade the problem is the office parking lot (I garage at home). I need to go to the office 3 days a week or so but that unshaded asphalt is not ideal. I suppose as we have a row of chargers I could plug in and run climate control that may help but sure wastes energy.
DougWantsALeaf said:On the other thread there are some getting the Plus post fed and state incentives in the low 20’s, which is where the Versa tops out.
DougWantsALeaf said:On the other thread there are some getting the Plus post fed and state incentives in the low 20’s, which is where the Versa tops out.
DougWantsALeaf said:Leaf just got more expensive. I think they should have held the 29,990 price for the entry Leaf.
https://electrek.co/2020/01/10/nissan-2020-leaf-pricing-features/
DougWantsALeaf said:I think Nissan is still wishing on a star that somehow they have brand value to sell at 50K for a Rogue sized car.
The hard fact is that they will need to bet the farm. Get comfortable with a 25-30K selling price (so enough under the SR+ where there is substantial differential) and work like hell to bring their cost structure down to make a profit on it.
They (like other old world auto makers) need to find a new revenue line for EVs. Upgrades, something. Time is running out.
Still love our Leaf Plus, but if it was 5K more expensive, I would have bought the Tesla SR+.
DougWantsALeaf said:Wait...the Model 3 doesn't have homelink?
They added ePedal a few months back via a software update.
webeleafowners said:DougWantsALeaf said:I think Nissan is still wishing on a star that somehow they have brand value to sell at 50K for a Rogue sized car.
The hard fact is that they will need to bet the farm. Get comfortable with a 25-30K selling price (so enough under the SR+ where there is substantial differential) and work like hell to bring their cost structure down to make a profit on it.
They (like other old world auto makers) need to find a new revenue line for EVs. Upgrades, something. Time is running out.
Still love our Leaf Plus, but if it was 5K more expensive, I would have bought the Tesla SR+.
I don’t know. The model 3 is a different car. And it’s missing a few things that switched us to the leaf after many test drives. These things are not important to everybody but they are to us. This list is not all inclusive but here are a few things that are important to us. Not dissing the Model 3 here as it is an awesome machine but it is a different car.
- Hatchback
- Easier ingress and egress as it sits much higher
- Heated steering wheel for sore 56 year old hands
- Homelink standard.
- Heat pump so less energy use in mildly cold temps...like where we live in BC.
- E-Pedal.
- all around 360 view camera display
- pretty much no vampire drain. Important for us as we leave the country for a month or more at a time without being able to plug in.
- rear cross traffic alert avoidance system.
- rear automatic braking
- much MUCH quieter than the model 3.
- local service
Having said all that we would buy the model 3 if the leaf became unavailable...
DaveinOlyWA said:webeleafowners said:DougWantsALeaf said:I think Nissan is still wishing on a star that somehow they have brand value to sell at 50K for a Rogue sized car.
The hard fact is that they will need to bet the farm. Get comfortable with a 25-30K selling price (so enough under the SR+ where there is substantial differential) and work like hell to bring their cost structure down to make a profit on it.
They (like other old world auto makers) need to find a new revenue line for EVs. Upgrades, something. Time is running out.
Still love our Leaf Plus, but if it was 5K more expensive, I would have bought the Tesla SR+.
I don’t know. The model 3 is a different car. And it’s missing a few things that switched us to the leaf after many test drives. These things are not important to everybody but they are to us. This list is not all inclusive but here are a few things that are important to us. Not dissing the Model 3 here as it is an awesome machine but it is a different car.
- Hatchback
- Easier ingress and egress as it sits much higher
- Heated steering wheel for sore 56 year old hands
- Homelink standard.
- Heat pump so less energy use in mildly cold temps...like where we live in BC.
- E-Pedal.
- all around 360 view camera display
- pretty much no vampire drain. Important for us as we leave the country for a month or more at a time without being able to plug in.
- rear cross traffic alert avoidance system.
- rear automatic braking
- much MUCH quieter than the model 3.
- local service
Having said all that we would buy the model 3 if the leaf became unavailable...
Good analysis. Being in the US, I have to add that the LEAF is still $10,000 cheaper. Tesla is a good car exceeding the LEAF in many ways so it becomes the question of can I work with the LEAF's shortcomings or simply spend the extra $10K and deal with a different list of shortcomings?
TBH; I have been asking this question for years and the Model 3 would not be 2nd on my list.
2nd; Niro because is greatly lessens the T3's advantages and still comes in much cheaper with the full tax credit for as far as I can see (or till its removed from the books and I expect that not to happen. In fact, I expect a better deal with the new regime)
3rd (tied) Kia Soul or Chevy Bolt. They are tied mostly because of limited info on the Soul but it will have the range, TMS, and utility. It will however, be redesigned and artist renderings is not something I will even to attempt.
But I have to say the Model Y would change things but again; its all about price and I have learned long ago that we don't know what the price will be until it gets here so Musk hype any price you want because you are on mute for that.
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