Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

[jlv]

Wait...the Model 3 doesn't have homelink?

They added ePedal a few months back via a software update.

Homelink is an aftermarket or after purchase option on a model 3. Don’t quote me on this but I think it’s 300 bucks...US. Probably best to confirm this on a Tesla forum but that’s the way I understand it.

It was originally included only with the 3's Premium Interior, but middle of last year it was unbundled into a separate $300 accessory for all trims of the 3.
https://shop.tesla.com/product/automatic-garage-opener


Of course, Tesla's HomeLink is tied to the car's GPS, so it automatically opens the door on arrival and closes as you leave.

 

[DaveinOlyWA]

I don’t know. The model 3 is a different car. And it’s missing a few things that switched us to the leaf after many test drives. These things are not important to everybody but they are to us. This list is not all inclusive but here are a few things that are important to us. Not dissing the Model 3 here as it is an awesome machine but it is a different car.

- Hatchback
- Easier ingress and egress as it sits much higher
- Heated steering wheel for sore 56 year old hands
- Homelink standard.
- Heat pump so less energy use in mildly cold temps...like where we live in BC.
- E-Pedal.
- all around 360 view camera display
- pretty much no vampire drain. Important for us as we leave the country for a month or more at a time without being able to plug in.
- rear cross traffic alert avoidance system.
- rear automatic braking
- much MUCH quieter than the model 3.
- local service

Having said all that we would buy the model 3 if the leaf became unavailable...

Good analysis. Being in the US, I have to add that the LEAF is still $10,000 cheaper. Tesla is a good car exceeding the LEAF in many ways so it becomes the question of can I work with the LEAF's shortcomings or simply spend the extra $10K and deal with a different list of shortcomings?

TBH; I have been asking this question for years and the Model 3 would not be 2nd on my list.

2nd; Niro because is greatly lessens the T3's advantages and still comes in much cheaper with the full tax credit for as far as I can see (or till its removed from the books and I expect that not to happen. In fact, I expect a better deal with the new regime)

3rd (tied) Kia Soul or Chevy Bolt. They are tied mostly because of limited info on the Soul but it will have the range, TMS, and utility. It will however, be redesigned and artist renderings is not something I will even to attempt.

But I have to say the Model Y would change things but again; its all about price and I have learned long ago that we don't know what the price will be until it gets here so Musk hype any price you want because you are on mute for that.

Yah. For us the model 3 SR plus is 11300 more after tax. And it’s not as well equipped. I personally love the looks of the model 3 and could probably get over most things. But the heat pump is important as we live in that kind of not too cold climate but still hangs around zero to plus 5 area for a long time. The heated steering wheel is near and dear to our hearts and no amount of vent pointing or pre warming makes up for it. And the egress and ingress are just a lot easier.

Having said all that if something changes and we start to find ourselves doing long trips on routes with good Supercharger coverage we’ll look at it again. In the meantime we are looking forward to the arrival of our 2020 SLEplus in April.

Never stop evaluating. The options are changing fast. I have all but decided I will purchase my E Plus which means I am "stuck with it" for at least the next 6 years or so. But have two years to solidify that decision After that; I am thinking I will be overwhelmed with options.

 

[webeleafowners]

Good analysis. Being in the US, I have to add that the LEAF is still $10,000 cheaper. Tesla is a good car exceeding the LEAF in many ways so it becomes the question of can I work with the LEAF's shortcomings or simply spend the extra $10K and deal with a different list of shortcomings?

TBH; I have been asking this question for years and the Model 3 would not be 2nd on my list.

2nd; Niro because is greatly lessens the T3's advantages and still comes in much cheaper with the full tax credit for as far as I can see (or till its removed from the books and I expect that not to happen. In fact, I expect a better deal with the new regime)

3rd (tied) Kia Soul or Chevy Bolt. They are tied mostly because of limited info on the Soul but it will have the range, TMS, and utility. It will however, be redesigned and artist renderings is not something I will even to attempt.

But I have to say the Model Y would change things but again; its all about price and I have learned long ago that we don't know what the price will be until it gets here so Musk hype any price you want because you are on mute for that.

Yah. For us the model 3 SR plus is 11300 more after tax. And it’s not as well equipped. I personally love the looks of the model 3 and could probably get over most things. But the heat pump is important as we live in that kind of not too cold climate but still hangs around zero to plus 5 area for a long time. The heated steering wheel is near and dear to our hearts and no amount of vent pointing or pre warming makes up for it. And the egress and ingress are just a lot easier.

Having said all that if something changes and we start to find ourselves doing long trips on routes with good Supercharger coverage we’ll look at it again. In the meantime we are looking forward to the arrival of our 2020 SLEplus in April.

Never stop evaluating. The options are changing fast. I have all but decided I will purchase my E Plus which means I am "stuck with it" for at least the next 6 years or so. But have two years to solidify that decision After that; I am thinking I will be overwhelmed with options.

Yah. No kidding. The landscape is changing fast. Even three years from now it will look a lot different.

 

[GaleHawkins]

https://insideevs.com/news/388216/nissan-minor-upgrades-2020-leaf-japan/

This sounds like Nissan is committed on the home front at least.

 

[webeleafowners]

https://insideevs.com/news/388216/nissan-minor-upgrades-2020-leaf-japan/

This sounds like Nissan is committed on the home front at least.

I don’t think the 9 inch monitor is making it to North America. At least not according to the videos on the Nissan channel. Propark not available in North America anyway.

I like that new colour.

 

[GRA]

https://insideevs.com/news/388216/nissan-minor-upgrades-2020-leaf-japan/

This sounds like Nissan is committed on the home front at least.

I don’t think the 9 inch monitor is making it to North America. At least not according to the videos on the Nissan channel. Propark not available in North America anyway.

I like that new colour.

Especially if parked next to the harbour. I see U.S. spelling hasn't infected BC yet.

 

[webeleafowners]

https://insideevs.com/news/388216/nissan-minor-upgrades-2020-leaf-japan/

This sounds like Nissan is committed on the home front at least.

I don’t think the 9 inch monitor is making it to North America. At least not according to the videos on the Nissan channel. Propark not available in North America anyway.

I like that new colour.

Especially if parked next to the harbour. I see U.S. spelling hasn't infected BC yet.

Nopers. Been fighting auto spell correct for....too long. .

 

[DaveinOlyWA]

Granted this was a special deal but no doubt there are others out there. Its hard to argue value when its this one sided.

HI! New member here. Got my new 2019 Leaf S in November at Alan Webb. Just want to take a minute to brag about the deal. I like a good transportation value. This is the absolute base model with NO extras. 40kWh "tank". All in sticker price was $34,005 (car price, dealer fees, tax, registration). After dealer discount and every rebate and credit ever, my TOTAL out the door cost was $16,196.

The price includes all incentives plus one she didn't qualify for. She was not in the Portland area (In Vancouver) so didn't get the Utility rebate so the dealer just discounted the same amount. Not too shabby.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/PDXLEAF/permalink/2789761377750308/

 

[salyavin]

I think it is possible to get a similar deal here as well on a nonplus. The dealer also offered utility rebates to people who were not members of the utility. For some odd reason here the utility rebate is larger for the 40kw vs the 62kw. I agree that is an awesome deal. When you think about that price and savings on gas and mileage it is really hard to beat vs a gasser unless you want to take it on long road trips or live in an area with little charging.

 

[cwerdna]

I think it is possible to get a similar deal here as well on a nonplus. The dealer also offered utility rebates to people who were not members of the utility. For some odd reason here the utility rebate is larger for the 40kw vs the 62kw.

You mean 40 kWh vs. 62 kWh? Battery capacity is measured in kWh, not "kw". See https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=520169#p520169 for more on this.

 

[DougWantsALeaf]

Leaf outpaces Tesla 3 Sales by nearly 10X... well at least in Ireland.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/electric-car-sales-up-11-at-the-start-of-2020-sales-1.4138159%3fmode=amp

 

[webeleafowners]

Leaf outpaces Tesla 3 Sales by nearly 10X... well at least in Ireland.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/electric-car-sales-up-11-at-the-start-of-2020-sales-1.4138159%3fmode=amp

It’s a great well rounded car. I’m my opinion it doesn’t need a lot of improovements. But it would be nice to see Nissan take a little more interest in it and promote it.

Down to 12 new leafs for sale in BC. Today at noon we find out wether Nissan can get us an Eplus in time or wether we are switching to a model 3 Tesla. If we do we’ll probably replace our other leaf next year with an Eplus or maybe the araya. We would like one hatchback in the household.

 

[GaleHawkins]

https://www.ft.com/content/534d0cb2-1298-11ea-a225-db2f231cfeae

Nissan aims to restore pole position in electric car market

If Nissan was where it is today 5 years into the EV era (2016) then I think they would not be failing to maintain market share today. Letting Tesla own the EV market marketing a $35K Model 3 may have killed their chance of selling EV's above the $25K price range ever. With reports of right here of 2019 Leaf Plus EV's currently being had for well under $30K with rebates may be their glass ceiling for ever.

Every month Nissan and others fall another YEAR behind Tesla in EV technology. If Nissan and others do not have 5 billion dollars to play catch up I expect they will be stuck with selling low end EV's just to keep up their average MPG numbers but with China going to own the EV market with cars, trucks and buses especially now with the aid of Tesla things do not look good for the old time car makers period.

My physical need for a self driving car is going to be the tail that wags the dog.

Without success in EV market share Nissan will fail in the automotive industry as Toyota is realizing as well. Being banned from the China and European markets now and the North American markets later can be the death of car makers with only gas and diesel engines.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/A...to-sell-500-000-EVs-in-2025-chasing-VW-s-3m

Toyota aims to sell 500,000 EVs in 2025, chasing VW's 3m

 

[GaleHawkins]

Leaf outpaces Tesla 3 Sales by nearly 10X... well at least in Ireland.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/electric-car-sales-up-11-at-the-start-of-2020-sales-1.4138159%3fmode=amp

Thanks for the article. Nissan has a shot because Tesla is still far from building 1 million cars a year so that vacuum should pull up Leaf's volume.

The new tax is positive for Tesla sales and income from selling tax credits to the makers of fossil fuel vehicles.

There is talk of Tesla producing a lower price car for Asian and African markets in the new China factory. Some forget Elon Musk is about getting people of the world into EV's more than added to his net worth.

I do think it is important to Tesla and SpaceX that Elon Musk to stay alive and well for as long as possible.

 

[DougWantsALeaf]

100% agree . He seems to be mankind’s only chance of getting a human to Mars in the next 50 years. Government agencies have lost their sense of mission.

 

[GRA]

I always figured he was shooting for TMI* on Dec. 21st, 2026 (been re-reading Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars trilogy) . SpaceX is now claiming 2024 (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_mission_to_Mars, "SpaceX Mars transportation infrastructure (2016-)"), but as with all of Elon's plans, expect it to happen late. Robinson's skeptical - see

Kim Stanley Robinson says Elon Musk's Mars plan is a "1920s science-fiction cliché"

https://boingboing.net/2016/10/17/kim-stanley-robinson-says-elon.html


*Trans-Mars Insertion. also see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_Mars_transportation_infrastructure

 

[palmermd]

Leaf outpaces Tesla 3 Sales by nearly 10X... well at least in Ireland.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/electric-car-sales-up-11-at-the-start-of-2020-sales-1.4138159%3fmode=amp

Thanks for the article. Nissan has a shot because Tesla is still far from building 1 million cars a year so that vacuum should pull up Leaf's volume.

The new tax is positive for Tesla sales and income from selling tax credits to the makers of fossil fuel vehicles.

There is talk of Tesla producing a lower price car for Asian and African markets in the new China factory. Some forget Elon Musk is about getting people of the world into EV's more than added to his net worth.

I do think it is important to Tesla and SpaceX that Elon Musk to stay alive and well for as long as possible.

The 10x number is BS. That number is for 10 days in January, and Tesla has only made one shipment of cars to Ireland since they started building the right hand steering vehicles. If you look at this chart you can see that Tesla is also going to well outsell everything when they get the delivery pipeline filled to Ireland.

https://www.irishevowners.ie/irish-bev-sales-2019/

 

[DougWantsALeaf]

That’s the fun thing with Metrics and history. 2 different slices on the same graph tell 2 different stories.

In Norway, if you look at January sales, the Leaf is ahead 2x to M3, if looking at only 2019, the Model 3 was 2x Leaf sales. If you look at 2011- today, the Leaf is 4x M3 Sales. All 3 views are valid.

https://elbilstatistikk.no/?sort=2

 

[jlv]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies,_damned_lies,_and_statistics

"Lies, damned lies, and statistics" is a phrase describing the persuasive power of numbers, particularly the use of statistics to bolster weak arguments.

 

[DougWantsALeaf]

Another Chademo car

https://www.google.com/amp/s/insideevs.com/news/392343/levc-enters-japanese-market-plugin-taxi/amp/